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Oh dear. Get ready to freak out. Somebody has gone and created a mash-up of Google Maps and Prop 8 Donors. Which you can see right here.
Proposition 8, if you recall, changed the California state constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage. That is to say, Prop 8 allowed discrimination into the state constitution. Eight Maps allows you to see who the people are who donated in order to pass it.
Is this a witch hunt? No. Is it cruel? A bit, maybe. But aren't the 36,000 people whose marriages risk nullification entitled to know which of their neighbors paid to force them into divorce? Criminals are entitled to face their accusers in court. why can't married couples know who's funding their forced divorces? And do the yes-on-8 people REALLY want to play the "who's a bigger victim" game with the gays? No.
This map comes on the heels of Peop 8 supporters wanting to limit media and public access to donor info. The nerve. Simply put, they want to break up marriages, but they don't have the courage to stand up and be known for their convictions. What a bunch of cowards.
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This is fucking awesome.
Wow, no one from my neighborhood. Represent, mission.
I really hope no one gets hurt. Like, showing individuals? Sure, I think it's ridiculous, but I sincerely hope people aren't waiting outside someone's door when they get home at night. Despite the fact that I hugely disagree with their viewpoints, they're entitled to have them.
However, the Prop 8 supporters wanting to hide is just ridiculous. Were anonymous donations not an option? I know there's a $10K limit or something where it's a tax issue, but couldn't you send an unmarked envelope with $100 in it?
(P.S., closeted prop 8 supporters, that is not a suggestion. Don't do that.)
Oh, you mean like how gay people get attacked ALL THE TIME? Yes, yes, attacks of any kind are wrong wrong wrong. But I'd be more scared of religious nuts who pushed Prop 8 than the no-on-8 people who voted to protect individual freedom.
No, I feel you. I think it's awful that gay people get attacked. My parents are gay and I would seriously freak the fuck out if I found out that anyone had remotely threatened my father. I think it's awful. But I just don't know if I think handing out the names and addresses of people who supported it is the best way to go. Sure, go to their door and ask why they feel the way they feel. People should be held liable. But I don't think if some poor gay kid has been beaten up, they should look at a map and decide who THEIR target is. Responding to violence with more violence - or intolerance with more intolerance - is just not something I can get behind, no matter how naive that might make me sound.
I'm not sure what would happen if they got an anonymous envelope with cash in it, but I'm nearly certain they wouldn't be allowed to keep it.
Making public records public? *GASP* The epitome of cruel.
Good. I have my handy "pervert maps" to let me know which perverts are in my neighborhood, now I have "bigot map" as well. It's heartening to know no one in my neighborhood gave to this shameful cause.
There isn't any crossover between those two maps, is there?
That's the mashup I want to see.
This was totally posted in response to porkbun's comment. Not some weird homemaker mash-up.
Ugh, lots of "homemakers" donated. I didn't know it was possible to respect such people less than I already do, but yes, yes it is.
What's wrong with "homemakers?"
In this context I think it's "homewreckers."
I have no respect for anyone who surrenders their financial independence/employability to another person in the hope they won't be in the 50% of marriages that end in divorce.
bitter much?
let the nannies raise the kids!
i'll get you my pretty ... and you're little dog, too!
I agree--I think we can safely say that at least 100% of homemakers have no interests other than getting fat and mooching. I definitely think that they certainly wouldn't be involved with volunteering or creative pursuits, and people who might choose to stay at home with their kids are easily worthy of scorn and hate.
Nothing counters bigotry like a little more bigotry!
wait, what?
I have no respect for anyone who surrenders their financial independence/employability to another person
Not everyone needs to be monetarily directed, nor would I want to live a society in which everyone was.
It has nothing to do with monetarily directed. It has to do with being able to support yourself and your children should your spouse decide to leave you/gets hit by a MUNI bus. It is reckless and foolish to gamble with something as vital as your security. Period.
I didn't say I hate these people. I said I don't respect them. But feel free to flame away because I voice an unpopular opinion.
sorry, didn't mean to hold you accountable for something your wrote on a blog messageboard. how 2000 of us.
And in any event, I'm certainly not for taking these homemakers' civil rights away, something the homemakers on this map obviously have no problem with themselves.
My mother was a homemaker.
So was mine. Until she got a divorce and was out on her ass. And so were her kids. A friend of mine had her husband come home after 20 years of him telling her "you don't have to work honey, just take care of the kids" and said "you know what? I don't want to be married anymore."
She was fucked as well. Like I said, it's a foolish gamble, and if kids are involved, you put more than yourself at risk.
But this is off-topic, so let's go back to stalking bigots.
i think it depends on the "homemaker." some homemakers actually have college degrees and work experience, so they would be viable candidates for employment if they ever wanted/needed to reenter the workforce. i think you're referring to the ones who had never lifted a finger before getting married and knocked up. i don't have much respect for those either.
A college degree isn't going to do you much good if you've been out of school for 20 years and never had a job in the first place. I suppose "mom" could get an internship through "connections" (i.e., guilty feeling friends of her ex whom she entertained for years at dinner parties for 6 to 8) and climb her way up but she'll look awfully funny to all her fellow hipster interns who'll prolly make fun of her when she shows up on casual Friday in skinny jeans in some desperate attempt to fit in and then she'll be so mortified she'll have to quit her job and become a "welfare queen", thus ruining the future economic prospects of her offspring who'll no doubt have to start going to public school and start hanging out with "bad influences" at the mall or someplace similarly distasteful, thus beginning the downward spiral of poverty in America. Meanwhile, dad will have all but forgotten about her and the whelps as he'll be so busy driving around town in his new Tesla Roadster with his 16 year old trophy wife sitting on his lap, chewing gum mindlessly, blonde tresses whipping about in the wind...
I'm with Bluecanary on this one. Unless a human comes to marriage with money of their own they can fall back upon, it's foolish in the extreme to rely upon another human for one's economic well being, particularly if there are children involved.
i thought we were?
Goddamn broken comments.
Anyway, cool map. And if you think being a homemaker is a job without respect, then I feel sorry for your kids, should you ever have any.
I didn't say being a mother is not worthy of respect. Work on your reading comprehension.
No, you said homemaker. I read just fine. A homemaker is a stay-at-home mom or dad, and I'm sorry if people get divorced, but it seems to me that divorce is the problem, not a family's decision to have a parent stay at home with the kids.
I guess the map is interesting from a "neighborhood bigot watch" point of view, but otherwise ... shrug. People want this info to be private? Puhleeze ... welcome to participating in your democracy, people. If you don't feel equipped or justified to explain why you gave $200 to take away fundamental rights from your neighbors, maybe its because your realize was a rat bastard you are for supporting such mean-spirited shit.
I love google maps!
Three people that donated to Prop 8 live in the Castro? Um, wow guys. Maybe you should move? Just an idea.
Seriously. How sad and angry must Paul Miller's life be, listening to that big homo flag flapping just outside his window?
Looks like it's a little too late to stop this info getting out!
This is perfect. 8 donors SHOULD be held accountable.
What does held accountable mean?
Public shame?
Cool.
I love google map mashups!
there have been mashups like thisfor a while now with campaign data displayed on a map, which is more easy to read, than a list, which one has been able to get from the state or feds for years.
fascinating that someone lives in the castro and donated to this...kinda scary.
It's interesting that if you zoom out and look at the rest of the state, the contributions made by individuals elsewhere really dwarf the $100 here-and-there contributions from San Franciscans (go south and start looking for the multiple thousand dollar contributions). Oh, and it's informative to know that the Secretary for the San Francisco Archdiocese, who lives in North Beach, contributed $100. Isn't "gay Catholic" an oxymoron?
Gosh... It would be a real shame if The Toilet Torcher were to start nailing these locations.
I think a big shame is that if you view out to see most of the state, there is still a big red cluster around the bay area. It's not all LA that's to blame folks, the south bay and east bay are equally at fault.
Actually Kern County was the worst. They had the highest percentage for Prop 8, something like 77%
Okies.
you're kidding, right? the joads split a long time ago.
Nonsense. Have you ever met an Anglo native of Kern County? Their twang betrays their unsavory dust bowl origins. I know. I have an aunt who married one. When they're not busy handling snakes at their fundie church or castrating sheep (slice open the scrotum, bite off the testicles, spit them out on the ground) they're helping their kids raise for the 4-H, they're driving up and down Highway 99 in their Cadillac selling Amway products. Frightening people with frightening ideas.
I understand that anthropologists visit Kern County to study ancient Okie folkways that have long since vanished from Oklahoma, much like how the Lillehammer winter Olympics folks had to trek out to Minnesota to find people who still skied traditional Norwegian telemark since it's a dead practice in Norway.
Can I be President of "Okies for Equal Rights" next time this comes up for election? I'll look through my Buck Owens records for a suitable campaign anthem.
Am I the only one who read the linked story? It's about excluding press access to the No8 strategy meeting! Too funny. Seems to be plenty of FAIL on both sides.
There is an article on the lawsuit about the Yes8 donor info if you scroll down to the bottom, though.
yes, it was a mistake on my end. but it's fixed now. and thanks for not being a complete dickwad about it.
Interesting - as you zoom out, a donation needs to get increasingly higher to put a marker on the map. Zoom out a few levels and you'll see only a couple markers in SF. South bay on the other hand...
This map comes on the heels of Peop 8 supporters wanting to limit media and public access to donor info. The nerve. Simply put, they want to break up marriages, but they don't have the courage to stand up and be known for their convictions. What a bunch of cowards.
Just donated , I respect GAY marriage but you people personally attacking individuals is far beyond couragous. Prop 8 failed get over it and ge back to work, Cowards, my donation to Prop eight is for you morons who thing crying and pouting changes law and popular vote
wow, what a complete lie. but thanks for trying!
Brilliant observation! I can clearly see how posting an interactive list of campaign donors is intended to limit public access to donor information. What *were* they thinking.
Can we fail ourselves here? FAIL
I hate when I do that. I blame the alzheimers.
FAIL.
what does it say when someone, um, donates a LOT of money? we should ask jack:
Mr. Jack Wheatley
Retired
N/A
$25,000.00 8/31/2008
what does it say when someone, um, donates a LOT of money? we should ask jack:
Mr. Jack Wheatley
Retired
N/A
$25,000.00 8/31/2008
He's "Retired". All he wants is for "those people" to stay the hell off of his lawn.
Let's hear it for the tolerant dogpatch hood. Very little contributions coming from that wonderful neighborhood.
There were a lot more Yes on 8 signs in P-town than donors noted on this map, which is interesting.
You know, every time I cruise by this site on my boredom-inspired tour of -ists, I realize that contrary to popular belief or your own self-image, San Francisco is one of the most intolerant cities in the nation. And I'm not talking about the people listed on your little map.
There's a reason the rest of the nation thinks you people are full of shit.
Of course we are, darling; we're California.
*chuckle*
I too frequently make blanket assumptions about cities based on the opinions of about a dozen self-selected people. If you think we're bad, try reading the comments on the Queens Crap blog as a for instance. They represent *every single* New Yorker you know.
I totally agree, and think it is appalling that "the rest of the nation" keeps punishing us by raining tourism and convention dollars down upon us. It's just torture.
Interestingly, the guys who made the names public themselves remained anonymous. Come one, Prop 8 opponents want to fete you!
Yes, public records are public. But remember how we all reacted when the Yes on 8 people threatened to publicize certain businesses' contributions to the No on 8 side? We all cried foul, seeing it as an attempt to extort money from these businesses to the Yes on 8 side.
I'm not sure the intent here is any different from that.
I propose that if you want to know your neighbors' political views, and whether or not you should "bother" mixing with them, you should simply start talking to them. You don't like their views? Explain to them why you're on the other side. You might just convince someone to change his/her opinion.
it's totally different. when that happened, the Yeson8 campaign sent menacing letters to all of the major sponsors of Noon8 threatening them to publish their names unless they donated an equal or greater amount to Yeson8.
this, on the other hand, is just a google map mashup of people who donated to Yeson8 - it's just a graphical representation of something we already had access to.
Hey - in Russian Hill right off Lombard Street's crooked section, that's former CLOROX C.E.O. G Craig Sullivan at 56 Montclair! Yes, that's right - the man who made your sheets whiter wants to make your marriages straighter to the tune of a personal five-grand. Nice job, jackass.
Amazing the level of emotional immaturity that I read in nearly all of the response comments for this particular article. I usually like to engage in intelligent dialog, but most of the comments on this page seem to be written by immature individuals with snotty attitudes.
"...but most of the comments on this page seem to be written by immature individuals with snotty attitudes."
Welcome to San Francisco!!!
Or at least what they used to call the "-ist-averse."
At risk of appearing emotionally immature, I find it interesting that you want to have "intelligent dialog" yet cannot spell "dialogue". This, in turn, causes me to have a snotty attitude and make fun of you.
I don't like homemakers!
So lets all make maps! Maps of single mothers, democrats, republicans, muslims, catholics, baptists, homes with young children, people on welfare, people with pit bulls, people that party, people that work the graveyard shift, where african americans live, where hispanics live. This way it will give burglars easy access to homes, pedophiles easy access to children, extremists access to those they are intolerable to...... there is only one reason for maps of this nature, it is to incite violence and actions that the website owner wants committed, but doesn't want to do it himself. But yet if he is oh so pure, why does he hide his information, he goes to extreme lengths to hide his data, yet feels free to publish everyone else's data. Things like this should be taken down, there is a limit to freedom of speech. You cannot incite people to action, you cannot holler "fire" in a crowded theater. This goes beyond the scope of freedom of speech.
Why would I be disgusted with myself, for pointing out how dangerous it is for this guy to be doing what he is doing. What he has done has opened the door for all kinds of "not so good" activities. What I was pointing out, is, where does it end?? I was being sarcastic, because I am sick of all these people not wanting to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. The incite people to do things, show them where they live, then sit back watch the fireworks, and claim freedom of speech, and no accountability. I don't even know what it is you think I should be disgusted about.... that I care enough about people's privacy and the right to their own beliefs and opinions? or That I oppose people diseminating information solely to incite people to do violence? You make no sense.
No matter what side of the fence your on when it comes to prop 8 a person should be able to give to what ever cause they believe in with out being intimidated or having their safety put in jeopardy .If some one gets killed or hurt do you think its worth it ? , and if you think its worth it then you really have issues because no sane person would want this precedent being set and this is why this is so dangerous, not just to those on this prop 8 map but also to the gay community.
Right now this prop 8 might map might favor those who are in favor of gay marriage but you must realize that by setting this precedent you are giving those against the gay community another tool to use against you .
With all the press that's been given to this map you can better believe those on the opposite side will be thinking up new ways to oppose the gay community and use this same tactic to hurt or intimidate the gay community it's just a matter of time.
I will leave you with this thought would you like it if every gay person's information was put out there with a map showing where they live. honestly we all know the answer to that .
not funny.... someone might get seriously hurt, killed or something stupid. who created this page i'd like to know their address and name so people can go tho their home. should list all anti prop 8 donors too. give us back our country WTF !!
This is one more step down the path of darkness. The homosexual mafia has moved onto the first active phase of fascistic terror tactics. The rationalization of violence is unfortunately a predictable result of the narcissistic myopia that grips the gay community.
Such actions may give arousing satisfaction to the nascent bullies who get their way in San Francisco, but this will not play well outside the amusement park.
Rejecting mere tolerance and demanding approval, by force if necessary, is a tragic overreach that will engender an overwhelming backlash.
Some day a real rain will come, and wash all the scum away.
You say "narcissistic myopia" like it's a bad thing.
But seriously, folks, the above info on those who donated to a clear case of discrimination and intolerance was already public. Just because somebody was bright enough to stick said public info into a map should not arouse comical fury.
Forcing couples into divorce, however, should.
The fury that will be aroused by escalating pursuit of this issue beyond mere political discourse will be anything but comical.
Tolerance is treating those whose opinions you despise with respect, not deference. Voting not to affirm the fantasies of gay marriage advocates is not "intolerance", it's democracy.
Distributing the adresses of political opponents has no purpose but the implicit threat of violence. Intimidation is more likely to harden opposition than it is to sway opinion. The gay establishment's response to this defeat has been infantile and now reckless.
You are, clearly, wrong on all accounts. Nothing in this particular issue is more infantile and reckless than the passing of Prop 8. Nothing.
May God grant you the clarity to see the errors of your ways.
BOO HOO u poor Gays! Its just terrible that you have all the rights as Married people with civil unions but just need to have the marriage word thrown in! Why dont you take all this effort and come up with your own word, like Pairrage or Faggage and leave the marriage alone. You're different, so be different and shut up! Its majority rule and you got ruled out, grow up!
This map is not very up to date. It only shows about 1/3 of my actual donation in support of Prop 8. I am not ashamed of my support of something I believe in. I believe that marriage is defined as between one man and one woman and I will support any legislation that maintains that. (I donated $3500 to support this legislation.)
In spite of differing political views, and no matter what happens to this legislation in the Supreme Court (I assume they will overturn it, and gay marriage will be allowed in the near future), I feel it is important to treat each other respect and kindness in our day to day interactions. And no, I don't think it is hypocritical (sp?) to vote for this legislation, and still treat my gay neighbor with kindness and respect.
I made a contribution to YES on Prop 8 as well. I invite any activist, whether they be gay, straight, black, white, whatever, to do what you deem necessary with the information you have been given. May I warn you, should you trespass or harass me in any way, shape, or form, I will use physicality to force my opinion on you. I will not hold back. So come one, come all. You have got my address, name, and company. Bring it. I am always fully stocked, locked, and loaded.
Translation: Don't be mean to me! I have my mommy on speed dial and I will call her! And so help me god I will shotgun this six-pack of Mountain Dew before shrieking and piddling on myself in terror. You wouldn't like the noise or the smell!
This may the most terrifying blog I have ever seen. How about practicing some of the tolerance you are always begging for. This is such a scary precedence. I have not been involved in this fight but I will fight against something like this all day long. You all are the worst kind of bigots there are. COWARDS!!!!!!!
lol, someone on the side of people who wanted the court to hide their shame of donating to Yes on 8 is calling people cowards.
What a whiny little bitch you are.
I am gay and against marriage!! (Though by solidarity voted no to prop 8 of course)
Can anyone tell me what is the meaning of this quest or fight for something so “normative” as marriage?
Why do gays and lesbians want to fit so badly in a system which produces dysfunctional behavior?
Why do you want to be like the hetero? Do you really think their live is attractive?
Please wake up! Life has to be reinvented!
It really is pretty counter-productive.
I mean, given the divisiveness of the issue, it's gonna be pretty obvious to anyone that thinks about it for 2 seconds, that they are going to be crimes committed against these people, and in fact there have been.
I've always been.. well, not neutral exactly, but off the beaten path. The civil union debate really showed who's willing to work together, and who's willing to put off civil rights reform on the principle that baby steps aren't good enough.
In that, I can't respect anyone from either side that either 1) had enough problems with gays to deny them basic human rights like hospital visitations under ANY name or 2) had a poor enough grasp of history to think that progress is "all or nothing."
I give that background, only to show that I WAS a swing voter. Actions like this take me out of that category. Because this map makes prop 8 opponents look less like the Rev Dr King's of the 21st century, and more like Malcolm X's.
The answer to discrimination is not its reversal, but its eradication.
People have the right to have their convictions and people have the right to know who donated what to what political campaign past a certain dollar amount.
The troubling part of this story is not that the website was published.
The VERY TROUBLING PART OF THIS STORY IS THE DEATH THREATS, VANDALISM, AND OTHER ACTIONS AGAINST PEOPLE POSTED ON THE MAP!
We asked people to refrain from firing people if they were homosexual: to accept them as people and to avoid ridiculing them AND to NOT beat or threaten them.
For the most part Christians, Jews, and Muslims do not go around killing or publicly insulting homosexuals but that will change if people think that "Gay" means "Tyrant."
For the most part Christians, Jews, and Muslims do not go around killing or publicly insulting homosexuals but that will change if people think that "Gay" means "Tyrant."
What. the. fuck.
I agree that individuals should not be terrorized, however, it's our right to know who these people are so if they own a business it can be boycotted. Economic boycotts are a form of non-violent protest. No gay-, or gay-supporters, dollars should go to support the lifestyles of people or companies that would use their resources to deny the civil rights of gay citizens.
I wish I had a billion dollars, I would have donated more than half of it to stop Gay Marriage. IT'S EVIL.