SFist: Photo du Jour 348

FYoCouch247

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:03:24 -0800

It may sound sappy, but that was one of the most beautiful thing I have heard on here in some time. "We forget we're no longer that ashamed of this sight." George Bush made being an American a dirty word. Obama hasn't changed the world over night, and right now we are still in the honeymoon phase with the rest of the world until we blow something up somewhere outside of the Middle East. But damn it, i'm glad the flag can be a symbol for good again. Yeah, a patriotic San Franciscan...fuckin shocker, huh?

Shibi

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:00:13 -0800

Meh. I'm so over the EC.

periqueblend

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:20:29 -0800

"The flag represents the principles of the country not the policies of a particular administration." Being proud of country whose policies are aren't living up to its principles, or being ashamed of one is up to the person. But the country's representation is still the flag. And so one's feelings (whether pro or con) are going to be directed at the flag. People who now feel proud of the flag may merely be expressing their belief that the two are aligned. That's not (necessarily) partisan. Now then there are people who would say that principles of a country don't matter - they're like a company's mission statement, and all that matters are its actions. I mean after all we know from our own history that all nations are imperfect. "He did not criticize Brock for making the comment; he criticized the content of the comment. I guess that distinction is also a little bit difficult for you." Yes. Quite difficult for me. Self-righteous implies a speaker and then makes an assumption about the speaker. Its just what the word means. So he therefore did both things. Criticize the speaker AND the content.

James Passey

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:01:32 -0800

I like the building

Leanne

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:15:16 -0800

Ha, that's what I thought too. I wondered what had suddenly made him unashamed of such architecture.

travin

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:10:03 -0800

But making broad, sweeping, and consequently inaccurate, generalities about democrats isn't partisan, not to mention laughably ridiculous, now is it?

SFBurke

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:51:46 -0800

The flag represents the principles of the country not the policies of a particular administration. Those who say that they can now fly the flag because Obama has been elected are not being patriotic, they are merely being partisan. Of course lefties can't really understand this distinction because for years they have been criticizing the flag-waving tendencies of conservatives. So lefities think that flag-waving is partisan and somehow have not noticed that conservatives have been proud of the flag even during democratic administrations. And, in defense of ManInTheStreets, there was nothing dim about his comment. He did not criticize Brock for making the comment; he criticized the content of the comment. I guess that distinction is also a little bit difficult for you.

largo01

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:47:02 -0800

I'm still ashamed of it. manys: word. we need to change our flag. It's pretty fugly.

Generic

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:00:56 -0800

... and here I thought he was talking about the neo-Lego revival in architecture. You're right, hillary. My snark detector does need a new battery.

manys

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:57:38 -0800

I'm up for changing the flag if that lets us be ashamed of what it's become.

wsanders

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:53:05 -0800

These colors don't run, because a design that requires you to launder your flag in cold water saves energy.

TeamAwesome

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:27:11 -0800

brain cloud?

hillarys_quivering_lip

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:19:14 -0800

I think your snark-detector need a new battery.

davitydave

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:17:52 -0800

Why are you ashamed of clouds?

periqueblend

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:14:21 -0800

The flag represents the country. I don't see why someone couldn't be ashamed of their country. And having that feeling of shame means that you probably loved your country and expected it to do better (or act more honorably or whatever). And as a concept, shame is very helpful in terms of keeping people from acting poorly in the commons. And since as you helpfully pointed out, the right to assess for oneself the relative strengths and weakness of the country is inherent in the flag, criticizing someone for exercising that right is little dim.

Munsoned

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:58:27 -0800

so...your reason for being ashamed is..the color combination?! wow

aj

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:57:49 -0800

More on vexillology: http://www.nava.org/Flag%20Design/GFBF/gfbf-1.htm

aj

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:55:08 -0800

Would you prefer a return to the Red Ensign? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ensign

billywags

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:53:43 -0800

Fun fact: Flags containing red, white and blue and nothing else: Europe: UK, France, Czech Republic, Iceland, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Russia, Slovenia. Asia: Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Nepal, North Korea, Taiwan, Thailand. Africa: Liberia N & C America: USA, Cuba, Panama, Dominican Republic. S America: Chile Oceania: Australia, New Zealand, Western Samoa.

Brock Keeling

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:28:35 -0800

the american flag's color combination is one of the worst. very ugly. (these colors WILL run, good sir.) not being ashamed of it is, frankly, self righteously dumb.

Man in the Streets

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:24:40 -0800

You should never have been ashamed of Flag or the country it represent, you may dislike, disagree with its policies or even its leaders. But you should remeber that flag represents you a nation that allows you to dislike and disagree with it. That comment is frankly self rightouesly dumb