SFist: Evidence Against Bonds Unsealed

peninsulachick

Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:37 -0800

Um, not at all...OJ was not just charged, he was also tried and found not guilty (at least in the criminal trial). No matter what we may believe, legally he was NOT GUILTY. Saying he was convicted (again, in his criminal trial) would just be factually incorrect - as it is here. Personally I think Bonds is guilty as sin, but it's not okay to say someone was convicted before their trial has even begun.

HHumbert

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:01:43 -0800

W3rd. And OJ was only charged in the murders of Nicole and Ron Goldman. Gotta be innocent.

peninsulachick

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:30:30 -0800

Whoa whoa...Bonds is CHARGED WITH lying to a grand jury. No one's been convicted of anything yet.

manys

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:16:40 -0800

Maybe in the future, athletes will not just take nicknames for the substances they're ingesting and actually take responsibility for knowing what these compounds are. Ha ha, just kidding!

HHumbert

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:50:23 -0800

Touche... I'm guilty of taking the argument to an extreme. Just trying to make a point, but it's equally an invalid argument. You do bring up a point of if the DR lets people do this, is it fair to outlaw it in the US? Clearly (no pun intended) not. Good question, but again, orthogonal to the discussion and argument at hand. The evidence should speak to the question. In the eyes of the public, he's pretty guilty. Not to say that's what went down, but when he notices his hat size going from a size 6 3/4 to a size 8, he's gotta be fairly clued in that it's not natural, ya dig?

mushmouth

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:46:11 -0800

Great analogy, pumping your body full of PEDs is the moral equivalent to raping a 13 year old girl. He certainly used PED's he has admitted to such, and he did in the Grand Jury testimony (the Clear, and the Cream), he said he did not KNOWINGLY use PED's. There is nothing that I have read that says beyond a reasonable doubt he knew what he was taking at the time that he was taking it. The argument is what does "Illegal" mean? Illegal to rules of Major League Baseball or illegal to the laws of the United States and Canada? If it isn't illegal in baseball, than what he said was true. But think about this, many of these drugs are legal for human use in place such as the Dominican Republic, then does it make sense that players playing in the Dominican winter league could juice all winter long, legally.

HHumbert

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:30:02 -0800

... And banging 12 year old girls (or boys) is not against the rules of baseball... That's a pretty orthogonal argument that I'm not following. So is the argument that MLB is an international league, and thus perhaps you were trying to angle that US laws don't apply. He more than likely did it, and the evidence will likely prove this no matter how much care he put into creating plausible deniability. Plus, he's a prick.

mushmouth

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:44:05 -0800

Bonds didn't say he didn't use performance enhancing drugs when he was with the Giants. He said that he didn't knowingly use illegal performance enhancing drugs, there is a big difference. Did he know exactly what he was using? Did he know it was illegal? In the same testimony he also admitted to using "The Cream" and "The Clear" which he was told was not illegal. Also keep in mind, in the time asked none of this was illegal to the rules of Baseball, even if they did break US laws. (MLB is an international league)