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Today in San Francisco, a federal judge opened up hundreds of pages of court documents against disgraced Giants slugger Barry Bonds. According to reports, "The documents released included ... a transcript of a taped conversation between Bonds' personal trainer and personal assistant discussing injecting the slugger and a list of current and former Major Leaguers, including Jason Giambi, who are scheduled to testify at trial for the government." We are very much looking forward to reading said transcript. We'll update when we know more. The Bonds trial is supposed to start next month. He convicted of lying to a grand jury in 2003 when he said he didn't use performance-enhancing drugs during his time with the Giants. Which he totally did.
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Bonds didn't say he didn't use performance enhancing drugs when he was with the Giants. He said that he didn't knowingly use illegal performance enhancing drugs, there is a big difference. Did he know exactly what he was using? Did he know it was illegal? In the same testimony he also admitted to using "The Cream" and "The Clear" which he was told was not illegal. Also keep in mind, in the time asked none of this was illegal to the rules of Baseball, even if they did break US laws. (MLB is an international league)
... And banging 12 year old girls (or boys) is not against the rules of baseball...
That's a pretty orthogonal argument that I'm not following. So is the argument that MLB is an international league, and thus perhaps you were trying to angle that US laws don't apply.
He more than likely did it, and the evidence will likely prove this no matter how much care he put into creating plausible deniability.
Plus, he's a prick.
Great analogy, pumping your body full of PEDs is the moral equivalent to raping a 13 year old girl.
He certainly used PED's he has admitted to such, and he did in the Grand Jury testimony (the Clear, and the Cream), he said he did not KNOWINGLY use PED's. There is nothing that I have read that says beyond a reasonable doubt he knew what he was taking at the time that he was taking it.
The argument is what does "Illegal" mean? Illegal to rules of Major League Baseball or illegal to the laws of the United States and Canada? If it isn't illegal in baseball, than what he said was true.
But think about this, many of these drugs are legal for human use in place such as the Dominican Republic, then does it make sense that players playing in the Dominican winter league could juice all winter long, legally.
Touche... I'm guilty of taking the argument to an extreme. Just trying to make a point, but it's equally an invalid argument.
You do bring up a point of if the DR lets people do this, is it fair to outlaw it in the US? Clearly (no pun intended) not.
Good question, but again, orthogonal to the discussion and argument at hand. The evidence should speak to the question. In the eyes of the public, he's pretty guilty. Not to say that's what went down, but when he notices his hat size going from a size 6 3/4 to a size 8, he's gotta be fairly clued in that it's not natural, ya dig?
Maybe in the future, athletes will not just take nicknames for the substances they're ingesting and actually take responsibility for knowing what these compounds are.
Ha ha, just kidding!
Whoa whoa...Bonds is CHARGED WITH lying to a grand jury. No one's been convicted of anything yet.
W3rd. And OJ was only charged in the murders of Nicole and Ron Goldman. Gotta be innocent.
Um, not at all...OJ was not just charged, he was also tried and found not guilty (at least in the criminal trial). No matter what we may believe, legally he was NOT GUILTY. Saying he was convicted (again, in his criminal trial) would just be factually incorrect - as it is here.
Personally I think Bonds is guilty as sin, but it's not okay to say someone was convicted before their trial has even begun.