SFist: San Jose Yard Turns into Gay Marriage War

jermille

Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:38:29 -0800

"Bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ." Who's the "bigot" here? Ironic, isn't it.

farmerted

Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:43:42 -0800

Who are you talking to about...their argument being weak?

miguelito2067

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:45:44 -0800

You know you're arguments are weak when all you can do is call people names like bigot. I think that association of pedophiles also calls people who disagree with their right to molest children "bigots."

farmerted

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:50:55 -0800

Yep...you're correct about the SUV. My mistake.

Brock Keeling

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:25:19 -0800

no, farmerted, not everybody has to like everybody. but you can legislate that kind of hate. also, there was no trespassing or defacing of the bigoted family's car. re-read please.

farmerted

Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:21:11 -0800

Who cares if somebody doesn't like gay people? Does everybody have to like everybody? Arrest the idiots for trespassing and writing on the mom's car. The mom can tell her child that: "bigots are people like the individuals that wrote on our SUV. Those people don't value an individuals right to their own opinion...even if it's different from theirs."

aj

Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:14:01 -0800

"Mommy, what's a bigot?" "That's what we are in this family, dear."

hubcap

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:51:56 -0800

i hate san jose. i want to move to SF.

travin

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:24:01 -0800

I'm not wearing any panties.

OrangeDrink

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:00:58 -0800

I'm about to go vote Yes on 8 just 'cause y'all pissing me off and I want to return the favor. Someone *stole* the sign. They *trespassed* to do it. That person might not be the owner of the van. Done? Done. Now let's all go vote no on 8 because we respect all people's rights, including marriage, including free speech, so shut up.

Brock Keeling

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:38:07 -0800

excuse me, we're a cheerocracy.

travin

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:36:33 -0800

@what, I'm telling ya. We're in an Idiocracy now.

Brock Keeling

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:35:44 -0800

i can't hear you,what?

grumblor

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:33:55 -0800

TRAVIN, NO ONE TRESPASSSED. SOMEONE WROTE ON THEIR OWN VEHICLE THAT THE FAMILY IS BIGGOTED AND PARKED IT IN FRONT OF THE BIGGOTTED FAMILY'S HOUSE. AND NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PARKED THE SUV ALSO STOLE THE SIGN.

what

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:22:23 -0800

Stealing sign = criminal Writing something on your own car = not criminal If it takes another 10 posts to iron this out, I'm going to be very disappointed.

OfficeBoy

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:15:55 -0800

Travin, Read it again. The SUV is on the street; they are not trepassing. And what theft? They parked the SUV, exchanged words with the Sundstroms, and then wrote "No on 8" and "Bigots live here" on their own vehicle, and then they walked away. The ginormous sign is still on the house.

KatyG

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:39:27 -0800

I have no problem with some zealot trying to take down my "No on 8" sign. Why, I expect they can't even spell "capsaicin."

montrealnow

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:30:04 -0800

Vandalism is not persuasion, it's a pathetic attempt at intimidation. It is a huge mistake to legitimize it, because you are not always going to be in the majority or on the winning side, and when it's your sign being torn down, your car being vandalized, your children being harassed, you can hardly cry foul. And the more zealously you argue that this feeble precursor to violence you have adopted is justified because you have a monopoly on wisdom and insight, the more likely that you are simply as deluded and violent as the worst religious zealots on the right. "Nothing is more fun than righteous indignation. People enjoy that more than any other thing" -- Alan Watts

travin

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:26:31 -0800

So are you saying trespassing and theft aren't crimes, did you just not read the article you're commenting on or both?

OfficeBoy

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:26:17 -0800

Just to supplement the misleading blog entry, the "Bigots live here" is not all that is on the SUV. The SUV owners also wrote "No on 8, Stop the Hate" and posted a "No on 8" poster inside the car window.

bananaanna

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:39:40 -0800

But, travin, I am not seeing any of those. The SUV belongs to the people that parked it there. They are parking in public domain, not trespassing. Perhaps this is malicious mischief, but I doubt that one, too, as the people have a ginormous sign on their garage. Again, the message could have been handled better, but if it were illegal, I think the police would have towed the car already.

travin

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:31:55 -0800

Uh, grumblor, perhaps you're unfamiliar with these peskey things called laws against trespassing, malicious mischief, destruction of property and defacing private property. But you're saying that's all ok because they're bigotted and they should just expect people to react, right? I'm telling ya, folks. The screen writers of Idiocracy nailed that shit.

Brock Keeling

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:31:11 -0800

just to clarify, because i did not, the suv that was tagged was owned by the pro-gay marriage couple, then parked in front the Sundstrom's house.

grouchothebestmarx

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:28:32 -0800

Mom..you can explain that the word bigot was written on your suv (not a good thing to do) the same way you explained why you think it's ok to deny some people in this country the same rights you enjoy. And keep the bedroom out of it unless they ask. And then try to be the adult teacher you set yourself up to be when you had a kid. Tell them about hate and why it keeps going on because people like you think you should be able to walk the earth and never have to see, hear, or think about anything you don't like. And be sure to tell the kids some of those people you are hoping to not have rights, are fighting in Iraq. maybe you might like to think about how much gas you are using at those fighters expense. Have a nice day

grumblor

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:21:21 -0800

Hey Travin, They are not criminally infringing on anyone, or the police would have done something about the truck. That family is bigotted. They are the fascist totalarians that want to control who can get married and who can't. You can't put a giant sign like that in front of your house, espousing hatred and division, and not expect people to react to it. They are lucky that a sign on a truck is all that they got in return.

travin

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:53:19 -0800

Can we please stop this slow and frightening march into a totalitarian, fascist society? Holy crap, people. They have the right to their opinions without being harassed--which is a crime, btw, if you haven't checked. Don't like their opinions? Then get off your fat amerkin ass and voice your opinions without criminally infringing on the rights of others. Otherwise sit down and STFU.

bananaanna

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:52:31 -0800

The sign is HUGE. I guess they are pretty passionate about the cause, but...it is a bit of overkill. I think the SUV folks could have countered with "No on 8" messaging instead of attacking the people. Perhaps they could have hung out and asked how their family life and values, and those of their neighbors, have changed over the last few months since marriage became available to everyone. Oh, no affect you say? A little education could go a long way. The idea of protest is a good one, the tactics, however, seem wrong to me.

OrangeDrink

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:09:36 -0800

It's fucked up to be harassed for putting up a sign. sorry, but that's all there is to it. Yes, you're right, thank you trolls, that if they put up a sign saying Hey I'm going to shoot Obama because he's a gay black Muslim terrorist baby roaster, we might be in more queasy territory. BUT! Anyone who complains that they had to explain something to their kid? Man, those people suck and should have their babies shoved back into their festering vaginas.

AugustCJohnson

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:05:16 -0800

Re: Charlie: They weren't damaging anyone else's property. The SUV belonged to them. The issue is whether it's harassment to park it outside the Bigot's house.

oskarv

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:04:55 -0800

hahahhahahaha. yeah, a lot of people in ManJose are extremely conservative. got lots of your family-values types down there. LOTS of SUVs. a car is essential to live in ManJose - I lived there for a year using their public transit and couldn't leave my apartment most of the time unless my friends picked me up in their cars.

thehypercube

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:03:47 -0800

My first instinct is to ask: "Oh so they don't like being singled out and victimized because of their beliefs?" Thinking about it rationally, though, this is wrong because actions like these are just going to escalate the game. Maybe these people will donate (more, if already donated)or volunteer for the YES campaign now. I enjoy the ill fortune of a bigot as much as the next guy, but that energy would have been better spent at a No On 8 campaign office.

TheCharlie

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:57:01 -0800

I once saw an SUV with "SUV DEATH" carved into the paint with a key or knife. While we may agree with the people who attack others like this, it is pretty wrong to vandalize someone's personal property because of differing views. It actually makes it OK to ignore the message attempted by the vandals.

KatyG

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:07 -0800

"Wrong"? These heroes should set up a paypal fund for the purchasing of rotten eggs and toilet paper.