SFist: Really Dangerous Intersection Gets A Fix

aj

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:14:26 -0800

Looks good to me. Of course everyone will need to follow the lights (HAHAHA, this is SF) but at least it will reduce the risk, somewhat. Maybe they will use a similar design in other locations where there's a lot of bike cross traffic.

Cior

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:30:27 -0800

@All, Yeah, it's new. What I can say is that the motorists I have witnessed are generally complying and the bicyclists are not. As mentioned by others, the running of the light is very similar to the same red runners all over the city. Car people will continue to be dangerous. Bike people will continue to be jerks. However, I'd hoped for more-better communication and respect for this particular corner and all of its awful potential. I'd really hoped that the news of the new signal and how it works would've been more public. I'd also hoped that it could've had some very public trial runs on weekends. Perhaps this happened, but as per usual -- it never percolated up adequately. Was the plan socialized? If so, where?

zippy_monster

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:46:57 -0800

a lot of bicyclists outright ignoring the new sign and riding against the red into the crosswalk. This is San Francisco, bicycle operators ignoring the traffic signals happens constantly. I watched a small pack of them run the red at 6th & Market today, had to jump out of the way of yet another one yesterday at 5th & Mission. @bottombracket: I've certainly had far more near misses with bicycles than with automobiles in San Francisco *as a pedestrian*.

bottombracket

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:35:59 -0800

yeah mrpactical, I can't think of anything more dangerous to drivers and pedestrians than bicyclists... 32 pedestrians were run over and killed by automobiles last year in SF. and almost 800 pedestrians were injured by them.

mrpractical

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:52:53 -0800

Now all we need is bicyclists to actually follow the traffic laws. As a driver/pedestrian I fear nothing as much as bicyclists.

jacksonb

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:21:34 -0800

Rode through the intersection today when I was almost hit by some jackass running the red arrow. Also, the bicycle icon is ugly. Why not just install the left turn signal?

neptoon

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:54:35 -0800

Fantastic, there's an actual bike signal there, just like in Europe? (I'm not sayin that everything in Europe is better, just the bike signals.)

usc0cat

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:34:28 -0800

Like any new traffic signal, it will take a little getting used to. I both make that turn in my car, and ride across on my bike so I'm super cautious. I have to remark on how cute the bike icon is. I love it!

izzyizzy

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:46 -0800

i biked across last night and i saw a lot of bikers running the little red bike light. i think it's because we're trained to go when we see the fell traffic lights turn green. hopefully they'll figure it out. not that bikers running red lights is anything new.

bottombracket

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:38:28 -0800

That's funny, Cior, because what I saw last night was a lot of motorists running the red 'no turn' arrow during the green 'go bicycles' signal phase. Maybe this is a Rashomon thing, where everyone sees something different.

Joel

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:18:30 -0800

Bravo. All cyclists vs. pedestrians vs. motorists stuff aside, as someone who is all three at various times, I'm glad the city finally stepped up to take care of this deathtrap.

sf_bikebike

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:13:21 -0800

Cior.......people have to get used to it.

kmsinsf

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:06:50 -0800

Hi Cior! Its Karla!

Generic

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:59:20 -0800

For 3 years my apartment was the one right next to that Chevron. I'd look out my window and watch motorists nearly miss pedestrians and bicyclists every day. Then I'd try to use the crosswalk and motorists would nearly miss me. Years later, after I moved, I found myself almost hitting people when I turned on that intersection.

rtfmplease

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:52:11 -0800

Thank you San Francisco! I rode across this a few days ago, and while confusing at first, I think the bicyclists will get used to it and start complying.

Cior

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:49:14 -0800

I turn at Fell and Masonic every evening on my way home from work. What I've seen so far? A lot of motorists confused but complying, safely and a lot of bicyclists outright ignoring the new sign and riding against the red into the crosswalk. I'm very pro-bike, but this display really disappointed me. Hopefully people will catch on.

Akit

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:31:36 -0800

There will still be those people who feel it is okay to bicycle across the street when it is not their time.

bottombracket

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:05:57 -0800

It's going to take a while for drivers making that left onto Masonic to get used the idea.

furtive light

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:03:57 -0800

Its about time this happened....I've been ALMOST killed nearly half a dozen times at this intersection. Before there was lots of shouting and swearing. Now there will be peace.