SFist: Animal Care & Control Seeks Info on Stabbing Death of Puppy

bennysf

Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:50:15 -0800

OOLA. I'm with you 100% on your posting. Thank you.

differentdog

Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:35:28 -0800

'In fact, the people I know who care about the welfare of animals are intimately died to the well-being of everyone who shares this planet, and the "human lives are more important than animal lives" argument ignores the complexity of that interaction.' I was simply going to offer a "fuck you" to the people who suggested that killing an animal in this fashion is somehow less atrocious than killing a person, but this illustrates it better than I could at the moment.

travin

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:24:17 -0800

Though the context of the action doesn't change "it". The context changes our subjective observation of "it." For example, you're observation that there must be cruelty or sickness involved is strictly your subjective interpretation that isn't supported by facts. It is a projection entirely of your imagination of what happened, framed by your internal agenda to explain how something so unusual could have possibly happened - you imagine only deranged, psychotic sickness. That very well could be the case, but you have no more idea of the circumstances than the rest of us. There's a stark contrast to observing these events in the context of a logical narrative as opposed to the context of adrenaline-punctuated paranoid reaction and conjecture. The latter isn't functional in this society because it is no more righteous than the actions of those that you imagine committed this atrocity. But don't get me wrong. I'm not in any way saying that the puppy's death is excusable. Multiple stab wounds? Clearly something highly unusual happened. But I'm not willing to lynch an imagined person(s) based on those facts alone, anymore than if someone was found dead on the side of the road having been hit by a car. There's nothing to suggest cruelty or sickness at this point.

oola

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:11:40 -0800

Mucked up that sentence, meant to write: The context of the action doesn't change the fundamental sickness of the action.

oola

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:09:37 -0800

I get so tired of the either or, humans versus animals argument. I volunteer in the animal welfare field and almost everyone I know there, to the person, would drop anything to help another human being -- often where others don't. In fact, the people I know who care about the welfare of animals are intimately died to the well-being of everyone who shares this planet, and the "human lives are more important than animal lives" argument ignores the complexity of that interaction. It all matters. Cruelty toward a puppy, cruelty toward a child, cruelty toward anyone or anything. The context of the action the fundamental sickness of the action. And outrage is the appropriate response to an action so cruel toward any living being.

travin

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:28:35 -0800

While everyone is passing judgement, how about we take a second to attempt to understand what could have logically happened rather than just hanging our hats on the idea the person is a psycho serial killer. That sort of supposition is the reason the media is in such sad shape, because the people that run it don't get off their adrenaline merry-go-round to consider some reality, instead just pushing their agenda. We're talking about a situation where a dog was snatched. A rescue dog with "some" issues was taken from his pack and taken across town. With unfamilir surroundings, unfamiliar handlers and likely strong/rough treatment to force cooperation, it's very likely the animal felt cornered and frightened and, despite the lovely description of likability, could have become aggressive and/or given his proxy handlers a nip, bite, too noisy and/or simply became too difficult to handle. And it's no small wonder. This put these folks in the position of not knowing what to do with the dog and facing being found out. All of these factors led to the pups death. However, we don't know the circumstances this dog was placed, we don't know the actually reasons he was killed. We just know that he was taken and killed, and clearly whomever did this isn't the nicest person on the planet. But let's please make an effort to avoid fear mongering, spreading rumor and conjecture. It's not at all constructive for in solving the collective problems we face that produce these problems. Just breath and remain calm, please; for everyone's sake. Thank you.

brittney

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:00:35 -0800

Oh great, the bully breed haters have arrived.

bananaanna

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:57:20 -0800

debinsf - there is a large part of northern Ocean Beach that is leash-free. Pretty much from Beach Chalet up to the cliffs. There aren't many dunes on that side of the Beach, so I assume they were further south. Don't make the foster parents the villans, please.

icbalaam

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:56:22 -0800

With all the stabbings lately I think the Supes should outlaw all knives within the city limits.

bluecanary

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:46:10 -0800

I'll admit it freely, the more people I meet, the more I prefer my dog. Besides, if an adult gets hurt, they can at least understand that a.) sometimes random shit happens, or b.) they did something stupid (like be a gangbanger). An animal, like a child, has no idea what's going on, or why, they just know they are being hurt and that's what makes it so sad.

OrangeDrink

Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:45:20 -0800

I get what you're saying. Hell, I don't think a dog dying is nearly as terrible as a person dying. The difference is there's nothing you can get out of killing a dog but sadistic joy. You can get stuff from killing people. Let me put it more simply - the death of a person is worse, but the killing of a dog is terrible.

Mark2000

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:02:17 -0800

I'm an animal rights activist and all, but frankly its one less pitbull running around without a leash wanting to bite my leg off (or worse, my kid's head). And for any idiot out there who wants to tell me not all pits are dangerous, I respond all pits can pull a bull down by its snout; therefore all pits are dangerous. A guy with a pitbull who says "he's never bitten anyone!" is like a guy swinging a gun around who says "I've never shot anyone!" I'm not going to trust either of them.

HHumbert

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:48:11 -0800

SFVS really rocks, and I'm glad that they donate their services to needy animals. Course, they cost a fortune, but worth it because that is one group of caring and dedicated pet lovers. This guy who did this needs to get spayed and neutered without anesthesia if ya know what I mean. Fucker.

spidra

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:20:53 -0800

I'm with CallMeBert that it's a bit tiresome to see how motivated animal lovers get when an animal is hurt or neglected as opposed to their reaction to humans going through same. That said, I also agree that this is sad, alarming news. Also agree that they're not unrelated issues because abusers of animals often do horrible things to humans and are dangers to society. MattyMatt - an example of good news coming out of Bayview is the Quesada Gardens Initiative. I subscribe via RSS to their blog and it is really inspiring to see the community-building they're doing.

zig

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:15:27 -0800

CallMeBert I knew of a kid who got shot and killed in SF trying to home invade on drug dealers Certainly his life was worth more than a puppies but I am not sure he was less deserving of his fate if you get my meaning It really two different things and I know more than a few guys over the years who got caught up Stop the violence and don't kill puppies is what I say

debinsf

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:41:24 -0800

animal cruelty is always wrong. ok, I know nobody wants to see it this way, but aren't there signs posted all over the walk-ins to Ocean Beach that say your dog has to be on a leash because of the snowy plover? I know dog owners need to run their dogs, but aren't there places for that? I don't let my kids run away from me into the dunes at Ocean Beach by themselves. and no, I don't leash my kids.

megang

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:51:46 -0800

fizzandpop hit the nail on the head.

Oznog

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:39:48 -0800

Note that at 7 months, Pogo would look much more like a full-grown dog than the picture. I have an 8 month old pit, and this makes me never want to go to Ocean Beach, ever. If I had to guess? Some idiot decided to grab the dog because he's a pit, realized that with one leg missing and (presumably) neutered, it was useless for fighting, breeding, or being a 'tough guy' dog, and said idiot killed the poor puppy. Between this and the horrible story out of Boulder Creek, I have to ask, WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE?

CallMeBert

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:34:16 -0800

Brock & periqueblend, Didn't mean to make it an either/or situation. You've both got a point. I mean, don't get me wrong; if you stab a doggy, you've got something wrong with you that's not gonna be solved by Dr. Phil. And I like daags too...

Brock Keeling

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:29:24 -0800

CallMeBert, SFist tries its best, better than any other MSM or local blog, to dazzle its readers with tales of local murders. There's room for the occasional animal cruelty post, yes? No need to pick sides between the two, is all I'm saying.

periqueblend

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:25:54 -0800

wait a minute. A kid didn't snatch that dog from Ocean beach. Whoever took that dog already grew up and is a psychopath. And humans may be more important than a dogs life but can't one give information on this case AND any of the murders? its not either/or

mattymatt

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:23:39 -0800

Christ, is there ever any good news associated with Bayview? This is amazingly rotten.

fizzandpop

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:14:35 -0800

Yeah but people who stab dogs grow up to be serial killers. I've seen it in films.

CallMeBert

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:09:01 -0800

Allow me to be the heartless one... http://sfcrime.blogspot.com/ 64 murders in the city this year, the large majority of which are still open. While humans may not be as cute, they are more important than a dog's life. Don't be so quick to forget just because of an admittedly adorable puppy photo.

OrangeDrink

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:03:24 -0800

I guess on some level I can understand stabbing another person - they have the crack you're addicted to, they cheated on you, they're threatening your family, they have a wallet and you don't, but a puppy? Horrible.

bluecanary

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:54:41 -0800

Jesus f**king christ. I have nothing else to say.