SFist: Homophobia, C'est Chic?

xyz123

Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:42:52 -0800

Hemlock for the many PBR drinkers, the smoking room, and I can picture two guys at the door even though there is no need.

xyz123

Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:40:04 -0800

I'm starting to think Hemlock tavern.

Matt415

Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:35:03 -0800

A bouncer let me into Lucky 13 when I was 17... I've never been back, but I highly doubt that's the place. And I've never been to ZG. But I do second Molatov's (a.k.a. the bar down the block from Memphis Minnie's). That place gives me the creeps.

brokenlogin

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:15:07 -0800

When did Zeitgeist become the new Patio?

EclipseTuliphead

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:09:51 -0800

So it's cool to hate on ZG now? Hopefully that means it'll be less packed on nice evenings now... This city really crawls up its own ass sometimes. Seriously, can't we all just live and let live, to each his own, etc? Damn.

manys

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:07:58 -0800

You say it, Oprah!

uggie

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:52:36 -0800

People who are respectful of others should be able to be who they are wherever they are, and should be able to go wherever they want to without incident.

phlavor

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:16:59 -0800

A bouncer at Zeitgeist stopped my girlfriend because they were "at capacity" when really he deemed her a bitchy corporate lackey. Which, to his defense, 40-50 hours a week, she is. But, hey, it pays my bills. I had to come out and swear that I'd pour three pints into her to pry the cellphone off her ear and he let her in. As for Ryan, I bet he was totally clashing and they weren't letting his fashion victim ass anywhere near their fine establishment. I'm surprised this never happened to me at Martoonies.

Bushy Hyde

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0800

I'd tend to agree with the Sunset/Richmond Irish bar theory, I had an experience there just bringing a non-white person in. Of course they don't have bouncers, nor would it make for a very interesting story if it was just some no-name Irish bar. Interest piqued.

xyz123

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:46:22 -0800

I'm really surprised Lucky 13 is mentioned here at all. Has anyone been treated poorly there? I find it hard to believe, and also don't know why one would drink PBR there with the great selection of beer on tap.

RollingJ415

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:34:52 -0800

Okay, SFist folks, what "grungy" bar has a female manager? Which bar would have *two* doormen? I've never seen Molotov's with two doormen. Actually, even at Zeitgeist I can only remember seeing one, but I try to avoid on weekend nights. Snotty comments? I'd say that awful Danny Coyle place but it's definitely not edgy. I can't believe the writer went through all these hoops and didn't have courage to name the place. WWMD? What would Murrow do? What would the late, great, Mr. Herb Caen do? Just goes to show, having a journalist friend to air your grievances doesn't matter if they don't name names.

vhold

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:26:12 -0800

Devil's advocate: To give the bouncer the benefit of the doubt, he may have been just trying to prevent trouble, given his knowledge of the bar's clientele. Getting mad at him might just simply be a case of shooting the messenger. Furthermore, it's entirely feasible that the bouncer had the guy's best interests in mind, and was just looking out for him.

the possessive apostrophe

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:51:46 -0800

What bugs me about this writer is that he ONLY EVER INTERVIEWS HIS FRIENDS. He's written about real estate in SF; getting a home chef if you have kids; and now this thin bowl of gruel about "Ryan" and whatever the hell bar this was. ALL his sources are his pals! Frightened of doing some real investigative reporting, CC? Look beyond your own self-satisfied realm for once.

ievans

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:50:40 -0800

hql, that and it's just a terrible article. the art-of-writing bs, and all that crap. oy. Former Salon writer, you say? Art-of-writing BS? Shocking! (With apologies to Heather Havrilesky, King Kaufman, and Cary Tennis.)

hillarys_quivering_lip

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:43:35 -0800

I'm sure I wasn't the first one who read the SFGate this morning, stumbled across this article, and then immediately dispatched myself to the nearest crack dealer. Mistakes were made. Mostly by SFGate editors.

Brock Keeling

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:13:09 -0800

hql, that and it's just a terrible article. the art-of-writing bs, and all that crap. oy.

travin

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:53:47 -0800

I'll bet my bottom dollar it's Molatovs. That place is very homophobic redneck, has been ever since it changed over from the jazz club.

hillarys_quivering_lip

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:58:27 -0800

It's O.K. Brock! - we are ready to blame the oppressive heat and/or a poor batch of crack. Get back on that horse, sir!

Brock Keeling

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:54:56 -0800

you are all correct. the bouncer did not say "faggy" -- though dede wilsey sure does! -- so i changed the post to reflect that. sorry. so much for my reading comprehension skillz.

periqueblend

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:53:29 -0800

Not since the early 1990s has being gay been cool, so Colin seems oddly shocked that a presumably hip place full of Obama supporters and PBR drinkers would be homophobic. Or, as Colin puts it, full of "nicotine-y coarseness to throw you back on your heels." Um you misread this... he likes the nicotine-y coarseness. to wit: Ryan and I agreed we like a little insolence with our beer sometimes. Not rudeness, for rudeness is obtuse and boring. But some nicotine-y coarseness to throw you back on your heels? When executed correctly, we find this far more humane and life-embracing than insipid, soul-deadening blandness. The (supposed) homophobia is not attributed to general in-your-facedness...

bluecanary

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:50:22 -0800

The bouncer did not call Ryan "faggy." Ryan called his own outfit "faggy."

Willo

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:48:35 -0800

I was thinking Lucky 13 or Zeitgeist too. I'm a big fag and love to go to both. I don't really dress faggy, and as a rodeo gay I'm generally more cowboy than biker, but occasionally I do have something that sparkles-- my non random sample indicates the Zeitgeist door guys as the bigger jerks. I'd say I'm hassled at the Z's door 50% of the time, but it is entirely based on if the door guy is trying to impress a girl at the time. Which I view as desperate, lame, and insecure, so I let it go. I'm cool with who I am. It's more a matter of of door guy not being happy with who he is.

Brock Keeling

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:46:29 -0800

oh, it could have been a fag bar. that's true. i could see a bouncer at badlands saying "faggy." not that i've ever been to badlands, of course.

marke b

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:43:03 -0800

I'm with Incandenza -- are we sure this was a staraight bar? As a geigh, unless that "Ryan" bitch can work skintight pinstripes up into something subversive and sexy (purse? Williamsburg, please), she can go back to netflixing Project Runway and FOR GOD'S SAKE STAY OFF THE DANCEFLOOR. What I really want to know about "Ryan" is: hair. I'm voting cocka'do.

daithi

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:06:53 -0800

Not zeitgeist, I was making out with the other half there on Sunday afternoon and nobody said boo

troymccluresf

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:48:15 -0800

I've been to Lucky 13 and Zeitgeist with some absolute fairies without incident. I doubt it's them, though I could easily see certain individuals on a bad night be this dickish. I've never stepped in myself (and I mean, really, would you) but this seems to be in line with everything I've heard about Blondie's.

withak

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:45:45 -0800

The quote sounds more like it was "Ryan" calling his own costume "totally faggy", not the bouncers.

MannyOrtez

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:43:35 -0800

Yep, I'd guess Pikeys in the Richmond or Sunset or the Eyeties in NB -- the only hood, it should be mentioned, where one fails to see a single rainbow flag on the main drag (i.e. Columbus). But that's a little odd, considering how faggy the Dago waiters dress. /racist morning

the default attorney

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:40:47 -0800

I do enjoy that he was not allowed in for being "faggy" because of his choice of fashion and accessories. It sounds like he was trying to get into a sorority. I don't know. I've had to walk into Zeitgeist or similar establishment in bidness casual a few times and thought they wouldn't let me for lack of visible tattoos or ironic attire.

Joel

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:30:18 -0800

One of my Sunset Irish dives, oresumably

mushmouth

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:28:48 -0800

Also, since you brought his name up, Obama had his little homophobic tour of the south fund raisers just 9 months ago. Giving a stage in his name to Donnie "Pray the gay away" McClurkin, and G.W. Bush second inauguration performers, and noted bigots, Mary Mary.

mushmouth

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:22:33 -0800

I faggily dressed, with a chihuahua no less, walk into Lucky 13's all the time so I doubt it is them (although it's likely they have a female manager)

binky

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:16:30 -0800

No, not Zeit, they only throw you out for patchouli...My money is on the (UN)Lucky 13 or Annie's...

the_absentee

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:11:51 -0800

Ooh! New Yelp Topic! Forget ranting about the waiters. Which bar has the most homophobic bouncers? The one with all the in-the-closet bikers inside?

Incandenza

Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:04:01 -0800

Um... "Planet Big" @ the Eagle?