SFist: Arrest In Road Rage Shooting

manys

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:50:09 -0800

Or at least they're the good kind of illegals: Western Europeans. We love their restaurants and witty barroom banter, right? Further on from that, since the Irish Construction Mafia causes primarily financial problems, that they can be considered "white collar illegals?" That's a pretty good segue "what" used up there. 80% of arrestees were MS-13, and investigators "estimate" (pull a guess out of their ass) that 90% of MS-13s are illegal. Sounds like overlap, doesn't it? Well, except we don't get to know what proportion the 80% are to the total size of the gang. I mean, the investigators feel free to invent one number, why not take it all the way?

hillarys_quivering_lip

Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:58:01 -0800

what : I believe it is the Burning Embers this Monday at Amnesia. Maybe 20% Bluegrass, more old-time country music I believe. I am fairly certain they are all citizens.

Tendernob

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:59:19 -0800

Statistics this, Wikipedia that. Yawn. Without actually KNOWING where the punk was hatched, let’s not make kneejerk assumptions about his immigration status. ‘Cause if you’re wrong, and it turns out the guy was Born in the U.S.A. (cue Springsteen), you’re going to look like a neocon douchebag, regardless of any anecdotal experience you have. Wait for the facts to come in, please.

what

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:39:41 -0800

Wait, are we talking about bluegrass now? I could definitely use some bluegrass. Who's playing at Amnesia this Monday?

bluecanary

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:35:49 -0800

Yeah, well your posts are bringing to mind the "I gave my love a cherry" dude from Animal House.

fizzandpop

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:27:10 -0800

The animal killed three people and some of you are taking issue with his "paperwork". Just take a moment to evaluate yourselves. Because I'm hearing banjos playing every time you speak.

pepelicious

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:45:10 -0800

He looks a lot like the police sketch. Kudos to the sketch artist. I know we all look alike, but shit, bueno job-o.

hubcap

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:24:31 -0800

All I ask is that they not deport him back to El Salvador! Put him in prison here or give him the chair but don't let another mara loose in San Sal..

Compur

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:05 -0800

@what: *pinky shake*

what

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:13:47 -0800

I do.

Compur

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:07:39 -0800

Who wants to bet this guy was born right here in the lovely Bay Area?

what

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:02:10 -0800

This is from Virginia, but I couldn't find any SF stats: "Of the 341 gang members arrested by ICE in the state between February 2005 and September 2007, almost 80 percent were members of MS-13, the study found. Gang investigators estimate that 90 percent of the members of that gang are illegal immigrants, the study said." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012403025.html

OrangeDrink

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:01:14 -0800

it's a question of causality. Illegal immigrant != murdering gang member. IF(murdering gang member == imigrant) {murdering gang member = likely illegal immigrant} Remember when Java was supposed to be drunk? Oh, those halcyon days!

Brock Keeling

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:48:26 -0800

Wrong, guys. I think the gang actually originated from Redmond, Washington. (rim shot)

natoma

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:42:58 -0800

it's racist because you don't know what you are talking about. "Many Mara Salvatrucha gang members from the Los Angeles area have been deported either because of their illegal status in the United States, or for committing crimes as non-citizens, or both. As a result of these deportations, members of MS-13 have recruited more members in their home countries." In fact, most MS-13 are recruited right here in the US and are US citizen. Most are young adults who were born here. Their parents may (or may not) have been, but they were.

HHumbert

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:13:46 -0800

Hey hey hey... let's talk about something less controversial such as the correlation of IQ tests to racial background.

what

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:39:32 -0800

The majority of MS-13 members are in the country illegally. Is that racist to say or something? Nobody's saying that most people here illegally are MS-13 members. We're just saying that MS-13 gets a lot of friggin' recruits from El Salvador, and it's not through the standard immigration process. Given how involved they are in smuggling people across the border, is it a big surprise? Hell, it's not even a policy recommendation. Maybe border policy is actually strengthening MS-13 by giving them that industry, I don't know.

bluecanary

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:32:40 -0800

I never said there weren't plenty of US citizens willing to murder, etc. But when the paper says "the guy is here without documentation" and spysea points out that this means the guy broke another law, in addition to murdering a carload of people, I don't see why everyone gets so huffy about it and calls it "wildly unfair". the fact is, when you're standing in a courtroom and see a bunch of people brought in, the ones fitting this guy's profile are usually here illegally. that may not be PC to say, but it's a fact. Of course, those men are usually surrounded by plenty of US citizens, but the fact remains that a person willing to murder won't mind breaking one other tiny law, e.g., coming here without going through the legal process. All I was pointing out was that if they don't have a problem killing someone, they don't have a problem crossing the border illegally. I couldn't care less about immigration, quite frankly. As far as I'm concerned they could open up the borders tomorrow, provided of course, other countries provide us the same courtesy.

manys

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:26:35 -0800

bluecanary: airtight logic as usual! ever thought about going into politics or policy?

wsanders

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:19:17 -0800

He does look at little like the guy in the sketch. BS on gangs not messing with civilians. We can thank Ollie North and Ronald Reagan for MS-13's mad skillz, propagated initially from the ranks of unemployed death squad alumni that helped found the group.

hillarys_quivering_lip

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:11:21 -0800

bluecanary - there are plenty of US born and bred who have absolutely no compunction about murdering someone/running drugs/gangbanging - so I don't really see why their immigration status is an issue. Unless you are suggesting that there aren't plenty of USA citizens who do these dastardly things.

bluecanary

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:04:20 -0800

To comment further: if they have no compunction about murdering someone/running drugs/gangbanging, then they are certainly not the type to adhere to the legal steps of going through our vast, expensive, confusing legal immigration process.

bluecanary

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:01:50 -0800

"wildly unfair." Unless you've worked in the criminal field, and thus know that 90% of the criminals from that particular group brought in are in fact illegal. Perhaps not every illegal is a criminal (as far as crime-crime is concerned), but most criminals appear to be illegal.

Brock Keeling

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:42:09 -0800

i agree with you %100, hillarys_quivering_lip. very frustrating and wildly unfair.

hillarys_quivering_lip

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:38:47 -0800

I am growing very tiresome of voices accusing every Latin-sounding person who allegedly runs afoul of the law of being "ILLEGAL". Get a new freaking shtick already!

spysea

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:21:02 -0800

$50 the "Gang" memeber is in the USA with no documents... Aka ILLEGAL. Remeber: The Bologna has established two accounts for contributions. First off, the Anthony Bologna Children's Fund, No. 934-426443-9, c/o Washington Mutual Bank, 845 Laurel St., San Carlos, CA 94070. And the second, the Bologna Family Fund, c/o Wells Fargo Private Client Services, Mac No. A0101-071, 420 Montgomery St., seventh floor, San Francisco, CA 94104.

Brock Keeling

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:18:02 -0800

you know, Aventinus. you have a good point. why would a suspected gang member screw with civilians? especially since they know that dong so could get them caught right-quick. at the risk of sounding paranoid and insane, i wouldn't put what you said past the SFPD.

Aventinus

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:10:50 -0800

Unless they're just scapegoating a known gang member just to shut the public up until we all forget about it as the *next* unsolved murder takes place.

hillarys_quivering_lip

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:06:36 -0800

So this WAS gang related. Now I feel relieved. *sarcasm*