SFist: It's Official: SF Required to Issue ID Cards to Immigrants

megang

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:15:17 -0800

Kay, you're right on so many levels. You're the smartest person in the whole wide world. Will you marry me?

Kay

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:58:37 -0800

megang, please don't become suckafree #2. i know exactly what you are saying, i think you're just walking through it with your eyes closed, or perhaps you're inexperienced in this area. "Taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized society that is democratic, offers opportunity, and has a huge infrastructure available to all citizens." this would be applicable to a situation where everyone had the opportunity to become a citizen. if some people do not have said opportunity, they are still entitled to receive benefits from a society that they contribute manual labor to (for the most part - though i dont want to generalize).

megang

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:38:46 -0800

I think the Rockridge Institute puts it best: "Taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized society that is democratic, offers opportunity, and has a huge infrastructure available to all citizens."

megang

Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:33:16 -0800

Wow...trying to have a constructive conversation with someone who doesn't listen is impossible. Kay, why don't you try rereading my posts. I'm not denying that people are working. They are, but are not paying taxes. Huge difference. Maybe I'm just too naive and believe people should not be able to decide which laws to follow and which to break.

Akit

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:38:33 -0800

Doesn't Canada do a VAT tax (meaning there's a higher percentage of tax on everything that is purchased)? I think as a result, there's no "April 15th" for them.

jt

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:52:29 -0800

Excellent point, Kay. Megang - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Kay

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:50:42 -0800

Because, megang, the villagers that aren't paying for public services are doing other things to move society along. Or do you think they're just sitting around, playing cards and looking at porn in their spare time? Because if that was the case, restaurants would have dirty dishware, office buildings would be littered with garbage, and replacing a roof on your house would be 3x as expensive. It's not glamorous but someone has to do it.

sangfroid826

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:25:14 -0800

Do you have to be an undocumented immigrant to get one? I want one sooooo bad. I'd love to flash it, right next to my ACLU card, every time a cop pulls me over.

megang

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:39:29 -0800

Kay, actually, I think it takes a village. When the whole village is working together things work a lot more efficiently. I think you missed my point. How is it equal to ask some villagers to pay for public services while others do not? And I'm not talking about people who are mentally or physically unable, but people who are but who are not because they are going around the law.

RinconHillSF

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:01:25 -0800

I just hope the library starts taking a deposit when lending out books ... I'd hate to think the Supervisors, not looking past their nose yet again, are enabling the pilfering of our public library.

Kay

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:51:27 -0800

oh - Sweet Melissa has a really great breakdown of the municipal IDs on her blog: http://www.thesweetmelissa.com/

Kay

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:49:43 -0800

megang, your "me me me" attitude will only fly in the amazon jungle where you are fending for yourself, and aren't responsible for other members of the civilized society that you're a part of. until you make that move, you're just going to have to suck it up and do what you do.

mariconsoy

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:12:38 -0800

Lou Dobbs should love this one. I'd like to see him have coffee with Ammiano here someday.

megang

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:59:13 -0800

Hmm...now there's a post on this site about a budget deficit. I wonder why?

megang

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:56:24 -0800

Sure...sales taxes makes up for it. How could I be so stupid. Can I stop paying my federal income taxes and pay sales taxes instead?

pancakebreakfast

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:52:09 -0800

megang, they all pay sales taxes on what they buy, and many of them pay payroll taxes. Denying undocumented immigrants essential services has already been tried with Prop. 187, but apart from being completely inhumane and cruel, it was found to be unconstitutional by a federal court.

pancakebreakfast

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:51:20 -0800

Brock Keeling

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:45:07 -0800

thank you for bringing that error to my attention, fizzandpop. it's fixed.

megang

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:33:11 -0800

Wait...so people getting paid under the table and not paying taxes get to benefit from the programs I pay for? I consider myself pretty liberal, but this just doesn't make sense. I'm now going to leave work and reward the severely mentally ill man who takes poops right outside of my office building.

fizzandpop

Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:31:53 -0800

120lbs? Shurlely there's shome mishtake.