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Tom Ammiano announced a plan yesterday to give city IDs to those who don't have IDs, mainly immigrants-- legal or otherwise. The idea, pushed by immigrant advocates, will allow those without an ID to be given access to a whole range of city services they would not normally be open to, including health care, library privileges, and the ability to use municipal golf courses. Ammiano also said he's going to work with financial institutions to let people use the Ids to open accounts.
Gavin says he's on board with the proposal and will get his administration on it. He also says that he's prepared for the criticism to come his way and doesn’t care. Hey, after admitting to be an alcoholic philanderer, there's nowhere to go than up.
And speaking of criticism, expect a lot of it coming our way as nothing gets certain segments of the population in a full froth of fury like illegal immigration and we're already in the cross hairs for being a "sanctuary city." San Francisco, or as this blog calls us, San Fransicko, is already used as an example of what not to be by the Republicans, with the Ken Doll Governor of Massachusetts accusing the Crazed Fascist ex-Mayor of New York of advocating immigration policies like those of San Francisco in a recent TV commercial.
Eh, whatever. The ID idea actually comes from New Haven which has already instituted the policy. Supposedly, a bunch of other big city Mayor types have been looking into it as well, including Mayor Mike of New York.
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Yes-s-s there's a whole lotta "immigrants" packing the libraries daily and on weekends.
And the golf courses--you can't even get near 'em
because the "immigrants" are plugging up every fairway.
If Gavin's "on board" with this plan, he probably fell off the wagon.
Will somebody call Delancy St.and see if Ruby's ex-stud dropped out?
"Immigrants" means those who are here legally, and they already have plenty of ID, such as green cards. Aside from edge cases (the homeless, etc.) the main customers of the card would be illegal aliens.
One of the post's "also's" tends to gloss over a rather important aspect: it's called "following the money".
Under the scheme, banks would be allowed by the city to profit from illegal activity; in most countries that would be called by its true name: "corruption".
Oddly enough, there's a possible bank connection in NH, and the person in the mayor's office there who pushed it previously headed a group that collaborates with the MexicanGovernment.
Maybe this site could try some real reporting instead of just rewriting articles.
-- LonewackoDotCom
Go figure some idiot commenter to try and give us their (republican) definition of the word "immigrant". No, "immigrant" doesn't mean illegal OR illegal you moron. If they want to open bank accounts, why not let them. Opening a bank account doesn't constitute citizenship. At least they are contributing to society. I find it discouraging that people have problems with "illegal immigration" yet they don't have a solution other than "homeland security" and to kick them out. Show me an American who is willing to bust their ass for $5/hr as a dishwasher or work for minimum wage.
Oh, this should be fun.
I have relatives in Arizona. One in particular rants about "the illegals" on and on and fucking on. What does she do for a living? She's part of a partnership that owns a chain of convenience stores in South Phoenix, all very nice stores that advertise heavily in Spanish and English, complete with huge signs offering cheap Western Union transfers to Mexico.
America is addicted to the savings generated by cheap illegal labor and would probably riot and burn cities if they had to pay more, but god forbid anyone in government acknowledge this symbiotic relationship, the conservatives have to throw a highchair-pounding tantrum.
It's exasperating, but fun to watch them squeal.
Hmmm... I thought the whole point of BECOMING legal was so that you can have all the benefits of a citizen and healthcare, etc...
And isn't anyone a little scared at the idea of an illegal alien having a US bank account?
I'm confused... What is the point of having laws anymore if people can't practice simple common sense?
What I provided above is the generally accepted legal definition of "immigrant". It's also interesting to see presumed "liberals"/Democrats supporting importing a low-wage-earning serf class in order to save (literally) a few pennies on groceries as well as promoting corrupt companies profiting from illegal activity. Didn't "liberals" used to be against those things?
-- LonewackoDotCom
Well, the article reads "legal or otherwise", so I don't know why you've got your knickers in such a bind Lonewack.
Also, I reckon it's rather mature of you to label someone this that and the other and personally attack them simply because they say something you do not agree with. 10 points for you! Clearly this is why laws here are so retarded (technical term).
I stand by my original post.
And isn't anyone a little scared at the idea of an illegal alien having a US bank account?
Are they planning on flying that bank account into a highrise?
Does it matter?
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"And isn't anyone a little scared at the idea of an illegal alien having a US bank account?"
Are they planning on flying that bank account into a highrise?
Ummmm, isn't it illegal for financial institutions to open bank accounts for illegal immigrants? Given that, how does Ammiano plan to "work with financial institutions" to break federal law?
Unlike SF politicians, businesses actually have to answer to the law or face consequences....
I have to question the misleading headline: "IDs for Immigrants?" Legal immigrants, such as myself, already have proper IDs, such as state ID cards, driver's licenses, passports, etc., so this new measure would *only* apply to illegal immigrants. As a legal immigrant that took the proper steps to legally come to this country, I'm highly offended by the continued conflation of legal and illegal immigrants by the PC-brigade.
Whatever the article reads, I'm positive that anyone who's familiar with these issues would agree that only two groups would be interested in this: the edge cases, and illegal aliens.
As for banks, the Bush admin fought to allow them to accept Mexico's ID card. That century-old card was rarely used until Mexico brought it back to be used by illegal aliens; they've since sold millions of them.
It's good to know that, at least when it comes to enabling illegal activity, Newsom/Ammiano and Bush can agree on something.
-- LonewackoDotCom
I have absolutely nothing against immigrants. If I had my way anyone who wanted to could come across the border, fill out some simple paperwork and be granted full citizenship on the spot (or at least, with no more hassle than the rest of us get at the DMV). The fundamental issue here is that it is patently wrong to be providing civic services to people who are not paying taxes. While poorly paid they are earning more than the homeless and would most likely be paying taxes otherwise.
I think we should definitely change our policies so that everyone who wants to can come into the country legally and with an absolute minimum of hassle, but at the same time we shouldn't just ignore the fact that people are breaking the law and that in doing so are putting themselves in a less than desirable position fraught with consequences.
This is an OUTRAGE! SIMPLY IDIOTIC from our
city as always! It's Just pandering that's all...
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No, it is not illegal for financial institutions to open accounts for foreigners. There is no requirement in law that banks only deal with citizens. The same goes for credit cards and mortgages.
Well I've been using fake ID at Sf General for years and years. The system works for me....
It is ridiculously easy to present fake ID to sf general. Not just the illegals do it.
I imagine that card will not be in english.
If I get one will it work for me in Mexico?
This is another example of how in this country, and especially this city if you are not rich or poor nobody cares about you.
Being middle class in the US (which makes you lower- middle class/upper-lower class in SF), is a very marginal place to be.
Oh well.
I'm confused.... why do we need to develop a new id card for those who can't get one that already exists? Why should my tax dollars be spent on city services for those who don't have id? Why not spend them on things that are attactive to people who do have id?
Oh - and will they get to vote too, once they have this new id?