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July 18, 2007

Ask a Muni Security Guy

dragnet3.jpgIn this week's Ask a Muni Security Guy, we wonder just who is that bald security dude? The answer will surprise you. And as always, we have answers to last weeks questions. Remember, if you have a question that you want answered, either email us at editor@sfist.com or post it in the comment thread.

what i want to know is who the bald security guy is and his female coworker. they are EVERYWHERE! seriously, those two must be cloned for the number of times i see them

Which bald guy? we have a few. fortunately, they are all good. Thanks for the observation and comment on them.

I have an observation and question for the Muni security guy:

I was on the Van Ness platform, and two fare inspectors were on the platform talking and laughing while myself and other passengers exited and entered trains. Not once did they ask anyone for their POP, and instead were deep into a conversation in the middle of a briskly active platform.

When I arrived at Powell station, I headed up stairs and was asked for my POP by an inspector. Confused, I politely asked him why he asked me, but the two jokers at Van Ness ignored me. His reply was that those guys likely were waiting for a specific train they worked.

It seems to me that it is a waste of time to have inspectors just standing around the platform waiting while on the payroll, when they could check POP while they waited for their train.
Is this a union rules thing, or am I missing something here?


You are right. Due to complaints by their union (shop steward in particular - a fellow fare inspector) and the subsequent agreement made, pair of inspectors #1 are working (we'll say, the J line). Pair #1 enter at Van Ness and we know all lines run through Van Ness. They are to NOT do anything else until they get on a J line train. Stupid? Yes! This was mostly due to the complaint that other pairs of inspectors are "taking away their stats". Stats meaning contacts, warnings and citation issuance rates. I.E. they argued this because other inspector pairings made them look bad by their rates of contacts, warnings given and citations issued.

Please complain to management about this. We, as supervisors, had no say in the agreement made by the union and our higher ups (management).

Isn't the bald pop officer a female???

Yes, we have one bald female inspector.

I had an experience just like Mark's -- I traveled from Castro to Powell last Sunday afternoon, and there were lots of guys in security vests just sitting at both stations. In fact, the ones at Castro were trying to flirt with an uncomfortable Italian tourist -- it wasn't pleasant.

Vests? I think those were MTAP personnel or our people for the All Star event (but they were more downtown and at the ballpark). MTAP vests read MTAP and/or Security while ours are "Fare Inspector". Complain, please!

The bald officer is female. She pulled myself and my four year old daughter off the train today because I didn't have my POP. I told her to get on the N Judah safely at my stop in the outer sunset, I have to board the second car. The first car stops out in the middle of traffic, and it's not a risk I want to take with my kid. The second car has no driver, and the window is closed so you can't pay your fare even if you wanted to. I had my fare in my hand, and showed it to her. I explained if she wanted to write me a citation for this purpose, go right ahead. I had no problem with that.

She gave me a lecture about my "anger issues." Then told me that she had to go and deal with a "life threatening issue." Thus, she wasn't going to cite me this time. But rest assured, she'll do it the next time. She still stuck around and lectured me about all the many ways I could have "not risked breaking the law" and paid my fare. (I guess the life threatening issue was able to wait a few more minutes.) I told her thank you, and that I respected her job.
She also kept talking to my kid about how "scary it is" to be taken off the train like that. Nice. Luckily, my kid wasn't phased. She just wanted to know why SHE was angry.


Well, first cars have the operator and thus, the open fare box. Second cars do not. Policy is if you do not have prior POP, enter the first car and obtain it. In your case and due to safety of your child - at the next stop, get off the second car at the front and board the first at the rear door, walk up and get your POP. The inspector could have cited you both but didn't. Take it in stride.

When will the fare inspectors ride the buses?? They are needed the most on buses!


I agree. Due to politics, it's not going to be in the near future.


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Comments (22)

can you please ask the muni security or driver a question for me? what does the average, tenured muni driver make per year, not the rookies but the one's that are pretty much guaranteed employment for life.

thx

 

from the SFDHR website, here is slary range:

Transit Operator (#9163 )

$17.06-$27.08 hourly /
$2,957.00-$4,694.00 monthly /
$35,486.00-$56,326.00 Yearly

Most operators probably earn the high range after 5-10 years on duty.

 

the crap over taking stats is SO MUNI! paycheck job--NO INTEREST IN ACTUAL TASK

 

Just an FYI - the 19 Polk is the worst line in town. Let's get these inspectors off the streetcar and onto the buses.

 

i don't know guest. i can't find it online but i swear i read somewhere last year that the average light rail muni driver makes 125k per year. i haven't been able to find it again for some reason.

 

I'm trying to figure out what stop in the Sunset stops in the middle of traffic (even the back doors of the first car? really?). This isn't passing the smell test.

Anyway, it sounds like the mother should be thankful she talked her way out of an expensive ticket (or two), and not complaining about the inspector's attitude. That was, as they say, a freebie. And look into a monthly pass, if it's so unsafe to board the fare-paying car (yet she totally completely meant to pay, and totally respects the job the inspectors are doing).

P.S. MUNI should make it easier to buy the damn passes.

 

Hello,
I'm the mom who posted. The stop that I am referring to is 31st and Judah. There is an island that you can wait on safely if you are to board the second car. In order to board the first car, you have to step out into the middle of the street, as cars pass by.

I did not try to talk my way out of a ticket. As I stated, I explained to the officer if she felt she needed to ticket me, that was fine.

I did buy a monthly pass for August online.

 

Just a side comment to the mom buying a FastPass online. Wouldn't it be nice if you could subscribe to FastPasses? Just put in your CC# and have it magically appear in your mailbox?

Or do they offer that and I'm just not seeing it?

 

I'm noticing an alarming trend. Unmuzzled dogs on Muni. On streetcars in particular. I've seen a lot of pit-bulls. Don't get me wrong, I love dogs. I just don't think they belong unmuzzled on trains. It's scary. What is the policy?

 

i've had my complaints with muni, but i have to say that in the past few days i've had a content time, and 311 has made all the difference. ive never waited an obscene amount of time for the following lines: 48, 27, 12, 30, 45, 1. and all of my morning-to-work buses have arrived.

so congrats muni, you guys are alright

 

we should put kiosks at all the stops and force everyone to pay before they get on board, like bart, like caltrain, like nyc, like london, etc, etc, etc..


 

Here's a link the salary ranges for all the Transit Operator's Union jobs listed in the city:

http://216.103.100.45/cgi-bin/dhr/findClass.cgi?class
=&title=&salaryRange=&exempt=&fifthStepEntry=&unionOnly=200

 

Unless you paste in the whole link above in your browser, the link won't work. But, you can go to:
http://www.sfgov.org/site/sfdhr_index.asp
Then, click on "Class & Comp Database". Then search by union. It's the TWU L200. You can find out what everyone in the city makes this way--what fun!

 

that will be a painful exercise. look how many managers make over 100k. helps explain where the 6.1 billion went.

 

Greetings #6 -
The in-bound boarding platform at 31st & Judah is not on the west side at the stop sign - like it is at almost every other stop - it is on east side of the intersection. When there are doubles the first street car pulls way past the ramp putting the second car at the ramp. If it didn't it would block the intersection. The reason this is dangerous is because vehicles drive a very narrow lane to pass the ramp (no street parking allowed here)then have to veer left sharply to miss the parked cars. This puts people attempting to get on the first car right in their path. Very dangerous and stupid!!

 

I agree with the earlier comment regarding dogs on the MUNI. I didn't know that it was okay to have dogs on the MUNI, unless the dog was to assist a person?

Another issue... I was on the J-Church on Tuesday, July 17, and a woman ran to the front of the car to advise the driver (who also had another person just sitting in the cab talking to her) that someone tried to rob a woman of her Ipod (knocking her to the floor) at the back of the car (near 22nd and 24th Streets) and to please call the police. Instead of doing anything, the driver ignored it and continued driving. When we left the 24th St stop, a couple ran to the driver to tell the driver that the same person who tried to rob the woman was now fighting with other people on the train and to call the police. Again, the driver ignored the requests. Many of the women on the car were afraid and got off at the next stop (Clifford). What is the protocol for drivers to do when police are needed on MUNI cars? It should not be up to the riders to police the MUNI cars!

 

I took a look at it via Google Street View, and yup, you're right that it's stupid and dangerous, and also pointless (why make a stop on the other side of the stop sign?). Ah well. I shouldn't be surprised.

 

#16 - If I'm not mistaken, 1 dog (must be muzzled) on a vehicle at a time.

I like suckafree's idea of the kiosk. Maybe not at every stop, but every so often or at the busy ones (duboce park, for example).

Also to #16, I think it's aweful that the driver didnt' give a shit. You should complain to MUNI to get the video of the situation. Also, doesn't everyone cary a goddamned cell phone these days. Anybody else could have called in the attempted robbery...

 

#18 - Yeah, I did call 311 and advised them. I also lodged a formal complaint against the driver.

I was also informed of the 1 dog (muzzled) rule per vehicle. In the future, when I see an unmuzzled dog, I will inform the driver of THEIR responsibility NOT to let the owner on the MUNI with the unmuzzled dog.

 

[19] 311 is NOT FOR POLICE OR FIRES.

Use 911 or to get to SFPD EMERG only from a cell phone use 553-8090

 

The mean bald female fare inspector is Kathleen "Nani" Randall Badge #21. In my opinion she is a menace to the community and should be fired. I would advise anyone with a bad experience with this fare inspector to file a complaint. Here is a link to the online complaint form:

http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcontact/formcomm.htm

 

wow, dcad, sounds like you've received a citation from Inspector Randall. Sounds like you took it personally....

your comment is number 21 by the way...

li'l obsessive don't you think? Sounds like she did a good job in my book.

 
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