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Wasn't Newsom's "absolutely not" quote in response to the question "Do you care to RESPOND to Daly's allegations"? Or something of that nature?

White lines... If you watch video footage of that day, you'll notice Mayor Newsom had a case of the sniffles... perhaps he did a couple lines to make it through a very tough day. Plus how else is an alcoholic going to stay so skinny?

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I am just glad Daly is done. Perhaps Daly is a rupublican hired as a sleeper to be a laughing stock representing the idiot left? Perhaps? Could Bush be paying him off? Think about it -- decent humans do not act that way. If he had a mind, he would resign, or... represent the concernts of the people he represents (me).

Tom is 66. 12/15/1941.

If you support Daly, you support this kind of behavior. We live in a city with absolutely no civility whatsoever. This proves it.

We live in a city where people like Daly support drug addicts and their rights. Their rights to shoot up on the streets, take dumps and piss all over the city, get horrible illnesses and infections that make them seek treatment at General which then costs taxpayers a ton of money. Folks like Daly and his ilk who support this way of life need to take a look at themselves and ask is this a humane way to treat people.

Forget treatment -- these people are beyond having hit bottom. Toss 'em in jail. It's illegal as far as I know to shoot up in public. Put the rehab money into better services in jail for the junkies who are breaking the law to start with. Maybe just maybe being locked up and watched 24 hours a day for 90 days or 3 years can actually help these poor people who suffer on the streets.

I don't care if they want to stay with their girlfriends or boyfriends or the poor animals they pimp out. They need help and they're breaking the law. We have to stop thinking that it's okay to allow people to continue to live on the streets and die because we think outpatient treatment will work.

So cranky are you saying that Gavin Newsoms outpatient treatment won't work?

Depends on Newsom. He's not out on the streets, shooting up. If the cops bust him for using drugs -- jail -- same as the junkies.

As for Daly's wife -- that foul mouthed woman hopefully can take care of herself. If not -- start saving some money so we can help her when she goes into hiding at La Casa de las Madres.

I live in San Francisco and I am tired of the Supervisor’s wasting my tax dollars and their time on issues where they have no control. Please post this help us get San Francisco back. Historically you’ll see that the Blue Angels have an excellent safety recorded and the FAA and US Navy take every effort to protect the pilots and the spectators. The pressure to cancel the Blue Angels is coming primarily from special interest groups not San Francisco residents. Keep in mind that Fleet Week generates over $4 million in revenue for the city annually.

In addition to safety Code Pink sites “fuel waste” as an issue. We would save more fuel and energy if everyone in the city used energy saving light bulbs than an annual 2 day air show. See link below. Buy am energy saving light bulb and spend your on educating American’s on that issue. The airhsow is not only a point of pride for citizens also for the men and woman in the arm services. This is chance from them to display their professional excellence with honor.

This policy is being considered and introduced by Chris Daly (Chris Daly | chris.Daly@sfgov.org 415-554-7970) NEXT WEEK, therefore please take just a moment and email your Daly and the Supervisor today. Additionally, take a few moments and email this to your friends, family and co-workers. If you’re not a resident please email the Mayor.
Keep in mind we don’t have any special interest groups to help us this is entirely a grassroots effort. If you want to save the Blue Angel’s please act today and encourage others to do so as well.
Thank you,
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I want the Blue Angels to continue to perform at Fleet Week as they have for years. In addition to clear economic benefits of the event this is an annual tribute which I have enjoyed with my friends and family for years. Please do not let special interest groups take away one of the most unique events in San Francisco.
Thank you.

Supervisors:

Meanwhile, another young man shot and killed at 16th and Mission BART.

Daly says on the news tonight about the personal attacks, "I'm being sucked into it, and I haven't figured a way out of it yet." Here's my advice - do your job, stop calling the Mayor names and accusing him of breaking the law, do your job, and do your job.

Uh, Adam -- the Blue Angels' "excellent safety record" is actually pretty dismal. Remember the fatal crash just 3 months ago in South Carolina? If that had been over downtown SF, it would've been a catastrophe. There have been 8 serious crashes in the Blue Angels' history, destroying 11 jets and killing 26 pilots. There have only ever been 261 Blue Angels pilots, so that means that 1 in 10 of them will be killed while flying. Those are NOT good odds.

Flying fighter jets at low altitudes and in close formation over densely populated cities is a fool's gamble. The majority of spectators of the Blue Angels when they perform in SF are not San Franciscans. Why do you think these people should have the right to play Russian Roulette with the lives of San Franciscans? Because they spend some tourist dollars?

You claim that "the pressure to cancel the Blue Angels is coming primarily from special interest groups not San Francisco residents." Oh really? And what group might this be? Can you prove that most San Franciscans want the shows to continue? I doubt it.

Finally, you claim "Keep in mind we don’t have any special interest groups to help us this is entirely a grassroots effort." That's just laughable. How about the US Navy, who uses the Blue Angels as a recruiting/propaganda tool? How 'bout the local tourist industry who profit from it? Go get your jingoistic patriotic jollies in Fairfield or some other place that cares; San Franciscans don't want the Blue Angels any more than they wanted the home-porting of the Missouri.

Daly is crazy but why dont Gavin take a lie detector test and prove that he never did coke. If Newsom wants to end the rumors, this is the best way. Its simple, take the test! PROVE to us that you never did the drug!

Wow, Chris Daly broadcasts to the world that he doesn't understand the English language...

Daly claimed that our mayor "artfully dodged" previous questions of cocaine use, yet the video of the supposed "artful dodging", cited by Daly, shows that our mayor answered the question quite clearly and emphatically. When asked on TV news if the cocaine allegations were true last February, our mayor responded that they were "absolutely laughable" and "gratuitously erroneous"

You can watch the video yourself at cbs5.com

I guess Newsom shouldn't have used such a big, fancy, hard-to-understand word as "erroneous" to indicate that the allegations were, in fact, erroneous.

Oh, by the way, for Chris Daly, in case you are reading this, "erroneous" means "false" - as in, you were totally "wrong", and now you have shown that you are either seriously under-educated or else utterly oblivious to the truth.

Chris Daly has abused his position as a public representitive of our city, and he needs to disappear from public service.

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Whats good for the goose..... Chris Daly needs to come clean about his medical condition, and tell us what substances he takes, and what he is been treated for...

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Just some helpful advice, man.

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"...Daly claimed that our mayor "artfully dodged" previous questions of cocaine use, yet the video of the supposed "artful dodging", cited by Daly, shows that our mayor answered the question quite clearly and emphatically. When asked on TV news if the cocaine allegations were true last February, our mayor responded that they were "absolutely laughable" and "gratuitously erroneous"..."

response to "someone"

Daly was clearly refering to the police officers who are suing Mayor Newsom and are trying to get him to testify under oath about cocaine abuse.

The mayor and his attorneys are fighting this subpoena like mad dogs.

if Mayor Gavin Newsom does not abuse cocaine his opportunity to appear at a trial and testify under oath that he never abused cocaine, and to confront witnesses and evidence, is before him now.

Moderators,
I'm all for free speech, but the post above from El Greco looks and sounds a lot like a threat to me.

First off Newsom on advise of his atty will not comment on those 16 police officers suing the city for 20 million. You remember the "STUPID" film they made and posted on the internet.

Now Daly want's more treatment for those drug addicts, well Pro 36 has proven a huge failure 30% completion rate.

Rumor yeah remember Newsom is gay, sure right PLEASE!

Chris is a child on city payroll, his district reflects his leadership and what he stands for!!

Since nobody has come forward with any real evidence other than rumor, innuendo, and unverified anonymous second- or third-hand hearsay, the burden of proof is currently not on the Mayor to prove the negative. Let Daly, the police union goons, or STEVEN come forward with somebody who can speak from their own personal knowledge and be subject to investigative scrutiny and/or cross-examination, and then it will be up to Newsom to rebut the accusations. Until then, they need to shut the fuck up.

It's really too bad that Daly can't be sued for defamation because he said it in a City Council meeting. It almost makes one wish that duelling was still around.

Offensive? You bet. Threatening? Hardly. It's called political humor. Delete it or not if you like. Matters not to me.

",,,It's really too bad that Daly can't be sued for defamation because he said it in a City Council meeting. It almost makes one wish that duelling was still around..."

What Daly said was Newsom was 'artfully dodging' allegations of cocaine use, which looks to be a factual statement. Newsom is not the only one with smart lawyers and I'm sure there are city hall attorneys right now SALIVATING at the prospect of crushing a bad faith lawsuit in an election year.

It is funny you should mention duels because there is a political commercial from hillary that is a spoof on the Sopranos, which I though was really really funny, and it reminded me of a recent Sopranos episode, i believe it was episode 19. called "the second coming" from this year, where a gangster threatened Tony's daughter in a bar, and Tony's daughter told her dad, and then Tony went to the bar and found the gangster in the bar.

What happened to the guy in the bar is on of the greatest scenes in recent TV history and I advise el greco or anyone who threatens women and children to see it when it comes out on dvd.

...and I might add, pot's illegality hasn't stopped Chris Daly from approving the opening of no less than 19 pot clubs in D6, where proprietors illegally dispense pot to people -- many of whom don't have any kind of medical necessity for it, or who simply retail it elsewhere.

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but patrick, you miss the point entirely. it's much more important to these bleeding heart shitbags to make gavin look less credible than to actually help anyone get off the street.

their actions say it all.

All I'm going to say is if the subpoena is enforced and Newsom is forced to testify under oath about cocaine use you all are going to be hurtin....

Just a reminder, readers and commenters:

Given how vitriolic this thread is getting, we're monitoring it much more closely than we normally do. Keep it in the bounds of good taste; from this comment on, we'll be pulling comments we think go over the line.

As a general guideline: if Chris Daly had posted on this thread the same things he said at the BoS meeting, we'd've taken it down too.

According to published news reports mayor gavin newsom is dodging allegations of cocaine abuse.

For people who are so upset that a Supervisor is acting in an offensive and uncivil manner, a lot of you are really being offensive and uncivil about it.

To [34]Paul Lindner: The entire city budget was NOT cut across the board. The 07-08 budget is $400 million bigger than last year's. Gavin had plenty of leeway in balancing the budget, and he chose to balance it on the back of the poor. I'm all for efficient government, but forcing efficiency by cutting services for our most vulnerable citizens is not what San Francisco is about. You should watch the four hours of public testimony from people about those cuts and tell us which of those hard working people's low-paying non-profit jobs deserve to be cut.

And it's a cop-out to say that we have to make tough choices between substance abuse services and public safety or street paving. If Gavin needs money to spend on 311 and his other pet projects, he should find it from places like the opera and symphony and de Young who can go raise their own money--not from non-profits dedicated to helping people.

To [33] and [43] El Greco: Dude, if you're going to make a threat, have the balls to stand behind it. If threatening Chris Daly and his kid is supposed to be political humor, you're not funny. Threatening children is not funny.

Anyone who spends just 15 seconds googling the search terms 'newsom cocaine" and"newsom dyslexia" must come to the conclusion that Gavin Newsom is a dyslexic cokehead.

dan -

I suspect you see yourself as a person who wants to preserve civil liberties. Things like curbing search and seizure, and maintaining a right to privacy.

But you have it in your head that a politician you appear to hate can be taken down by coke allegations, and you're foaming at the mouth. It's pure schadenfreude. You're so clearly excited by the prospect of sworn testimony that you're baiting everyone who thinks this is a bullshit snipe hunt.

A couple things for you to know:

1) civil liberties apply to all people, not just the ones you support

2) why on earth would there be a need for sworn testimony on an unfounded rumor?

3) the loser here is Daly, who will get a formal censure from the board

4) I stand by my earlier sentiment fully. you want to ask me a bunch of irrelevant personal questions? I'll borrow some language from Chris and his wife, and tell you to fuck yourself.

To all the Daly supporters, I publicly retract my previous comments about the honorable Supervisor, who I now know stands for truth, justice and the American way. And I also want to state categorically that these rumors about Daly being a pigfucker are just as wrong as can be. Each of the pigs in question gave their full consent before any intimate contact was initiated.

Hello again the coke thing started with Police Officers would we're suspended by the city for a "Film" posted on the net in bad taste. Newsom and Fong we're up front on the issued and showed there anger publicly. These officers now are suing SF for 20 million making "racist" claims against Fong over who was not suspended.
Any remarks by these officers is "tainted" $$$$$ at taxpayers expense???? The city atty feel the case as no merit??

el Greco! You're back, you slimy POS. Your previous post was a violation of about 10 very serious state and federal laws and if I were you I'd wonder if I might be the subject of an FBI investigation right now.

If I were you I would in all seriousness step away from the computer keyboard and never come back.

I'm interested in Gavin's ideas about the difference between alcohol use and alcohol abuse.

I've been around Gavin Newsom after hours often enough to find claims of him being a coke abuser OR an alcohol abuser to be pretty unbelievable. Yeah, he has a few drinks (as do most of us), and whatever drugs -- if any -- that he does, he seems to have no problem with.

Personally, I think that the "alcohol abuse" thing was exaggerated -- a ruse to make his sexual impropriety with RR-T seem like it had an external cause. Apparently it worked.

i'm starting to think it's time for a civil war here in the city. winner take all.

here's what i suggest.

progressives vs everyone else, meet at civic center on july 4th at noon, no holds barred, channel 4 news style, just no touching of the face or hair. i'll bring my trident.

the winners get to set the priorities for the budget, make our government accountable, fire all the union employees and replace them with immigrants that actually work, the losers have to shut the fuck up, forever.

if we win, the homeless go to treasure island, we bulldoze the tenderloin and 6th street corridor to redevelop it into something useful.

if we lose, we abondon the city and let the homeless and the progressives turn it into the shit hole they are so hellbent on it becoming and we say good riddance.

Exactly Chris's idea is "all carrot" don't bother them if they smoke crack/piss on the street it's there right!
He's against the community court he hates the SFPD, he hates the military.

ummm Dan?

have you ever heard of Rincon Hill?

the biggest eye sore ever for the City, it's a disaster, only 14 units sold to date

twice the height of the normal permit process so Daly could get 50mm in fun money for his pet programs

who you calling dishonest and a pyramid scheme now fucknut?

;)

You know, I don't understand what it is about you mindless Newsom supporters, except that you are as dyslexic and drug addled as he is, that makes you believe that we are not just as horrified at some of the truly chilling acts of madness that the homeless mentally ill conduct on our streets every day, because we absolutely are.

I hear comments and complaints every so often that Daly and Newsom supporters agree on 90% of the issues, and it is completely true.

We are not real happy about homelessness. We hate crime. We want clean streets, a clean city, and adequate police to protect us from random street terror.

But the simple act of worrying about that becomes such a luxury if you live under the constant threat of being driven out of the city by a corrupt real estate speculator.

I we get evicted, all of sudden we dont have to worry about the homeless problem in san francisco.
We don't have to worry about crime, or potholes.
We've been driven out of san francisco by hyper wealthy real estate conmen who dont understand or dont care the ramifications of a real estate bubble caused by their blind thoughtless stewardship of our country.

We agree with you on nearly everything!!!!!

But we are smarter than you are. We recognize what a luxury it is to step over the pile of whatever that is on our front steps, and what a pleasure it is to ruin our transmission on a pothole, and how lucky we are to have a big, big gun pointed out our heads by an underage drug addict who will seriously blow our brains out if we do not quickly produce a twenty dollar bill, because we have the great honor of living in the best city in the whole world, and as bad as these problems are, we face a far greater threat from our conman landlords.

Everytime I see a nearly dead drug addict near my fromt porch I realize what a fantastic luxury it is to be able to step over his body, and i curse my landlord and his political allies who hold the sword of eviction above my head and laugh.

Best city in the whole world?! Dan, you have *got* to be kidding.

'twice the height of the normal permit process so Daly could get 50mm in fun money for his pet programs

who you calling dishonest and a pyramid scheme now fucknut?'

Hey numbskull its called "free market" and it is drummed into our heads from kindergarten onwards.

If they can't sell their condos they simply have to LOWER THEIR PRICES because god knows the don't seem to have a problem RAISING them....

What drugs does Chris Daly take on a regular basis? Should he not come clean about his mental health issues that are known to many of us???

Got a new name for you, dan: Dan Quixote.

You seem to be on a hopeless quest to overcome the forces of a free market. Noble, impassioned, hopelessly delusional. Ultimately tragic.

With the weight Daly's been putting on, he'd make a good Sancho Panza.

Supervisor Daly was absolutely correct to bring this issue up in the context he did. The removal of critical services to people who need and can't afford them most is criminal. The mayor has lied twice in the past about misconduct and had to come clean later, why believe this denial? The mayor jumping up and down and proclaiming this to be a new low is outrageous, in his own statement he admitted that politicians (read gavin) usually have their people do the dastardly deeds so as to get distance. What Supervisor Daly did was out front, on topic and correct, and the chronicle editorial is a joke. Why doesn't the chronicle talk about how gavin, et al, framed an innocent African American manager over at the Department of Building Inspection only to have the jury vote 11 to 1 on aquittal and the da to dismish all the charges later? This was gavins way of getting his appointee in place, Amy Lee, and you should read the court transcript as to what this "team newsom" member did to enrich herself! Anyway she got a raise, a promotion and dispatched to Marcia Rosen, over at the Redevelopment Agency (I guess Benefit Magazine has its quota of bimbettes for now) good luck Marcia, count the silverware everynite!

The removal of critical services to people who need and can't afford them most is criminal.

Proof positive that you have no concept of the meaning of the word "criminal". It's not even unethical, much less criminal. Show me the law that says that it's legally required for the taxpayers of San Francisco to give a huge percentage of their tax dollars to pay for helping addicts who have willingly become addicted to their drug of choice. Where is it? Your ignorance is astonishing.

Anonymiste
You're on spot!!! Care not Cash is great i know i've used it. They got me housing, they help with dental work, got in JRT im working part time now moving forward too full time.
SF offers everything sadly many won't/don't use them and abuse our city.
Clean up, get up or please get out, they get anyone bus ticket home

You forgot to mention the inflated rents and housing values as a result of "affordable housing" programs in the City.

bmr listings from the mayors site:

http://www.sfgov.org/site/moh_page.asp?id=17815

Lots of pixels spent there, Dan, but very little more than "this is the way it should be", and stomping your foot about it not being that way.

And we can get around to entirely restructuring the real estate world at the same time that we entirely restructure the culture and practice of entitlement for those at the other end of the spectrum.

And by the way -- the vast majority of San Francisco's homeless were NOT "born in and have lived their entire lives". Less than half of them have been here for 7 years. And a huge percentage of them came here from elsewhere in the Bay Area specifically because we have far more generous assistance programs than do other neighboring counties.

Frankly, I'm not so concerned about whether Gavin is or was doing cocaine, or if he lies about, as I am concerned about effective government for this city.

In my book, Daly blew it on a few levels:

1) Whatever their differences, I expect the Mayor and the Supervisors to get along and behave like adults. Bringing up personal issues as a way to score points, is destructive and pointless.

2) As a recovering drug and alcohol user, while I'm concerned about anyone who habitually uses and abuses, Daly's "outing" of Newsom in a public forum was uncalled for.

3) Has anyone else noticed how uncivil, this once very friendly city has become? As someone who has lived here for over 30 years, I'm dismayed at the utter contempt displayed by all tribes in the city for those who aren't part of their group. San Francisco, which once symbolized peace and tolerance, has become one of the rudest cities in America.

On all three counts, Daly crossed the line.

Great point about the attraction of flies we represent to the Homeless. We have to stop paying them beyond Care not Cash. I suggest we try the following:

Make it illegal to donate cash or food to them on the street (anti panhandling isn't working, so go after the John's so to speak)

Stop paying for recycling (this stops all kinds of disgusting behaviour in the City from helping feed drug habits to cottage industries of theives in the middle of the night)

These two alone could help show the Homeless how serious we are about getting them off the street and into helpful situations. Its not unlike feeding the bears in Yosemite. We are dooming these people to lifetime of drug and alcohol problems and a painful death on the street by letting the status quo persist.

i don't have any sympathy for the developers dan, trust me. my building is suing ours, just like every other condo in town. it's baked in to their business plans nowadays. can we talk about you for a second? why don't you buy a condo somewhere in the city, or move to somewhere you can afford one and get the hell out of the TL?

i agree with you on the sub prime stuff, total bs that created the next savings and loan type fiasco but i dont expect anyone to get bailed out this time.

i dont think you can blame just the lenders for this however, the folks that signed these loans that are taking on more than 35% of their take home to pay a mortgage knew what they were getting into.

lets get real.

ps www.recalldaly.com

;)

dan -

Are you REALLY that naive? Developers are supposed to put up hundreds of millions of dollars, all at significant risk, for the possibility of an eventual 10% return? They'd do better with a certificate of deposit at BofA.

Yes, some developers are wealthy. Some, however, have lost vast sums. The accumulation of wealth is not actually criminal, you know.

The very thought that developers owe something to those who can't afford housing (in an expensive housing market) is laughable. You like it, buy it. You don't like it, don't buy it. Nobody owes you a goddamned thing. Housing here is expensive. Get over it. I did.

"Legions of suffering people"? Suffering from what? I'd love to live on the top floor of the Four Seasons building. I can't afford to. It's beyond my means. I guess I'm among the suffering many. I guess I should rail against the horrible injustice of it all.

I'm also suffering from the goddamned homeless crisis, I'll tell you that much. I live in D6, and it's becoming more of a sewer every day.

I think you'll be happy if you do what Daly did:

1) qualify for a BMR condo
2) have Mommy give you the down payment
3) vote yourself a 300% raise immediately following
4) laugh at the suckers who can't play the game

Hey sucka we can talk about me if you want but I am curious about you.

Apparently you own a condo in a building in SF and you are suing the developer.

That is definitely most developer unfriendly.

when did you buy and are you losing your ass yet???

I say 'yet' because if you are not already then fairly soon you likely will be.

I'm glad you believe so much in the system.

(cool-aid drinker....)

mike. They suffer because something out there beyond your or my understanding has driven them stark raving. Tread carefully because "but for the grace of god...."

Patrick!!! Is that really you at patrick.net???

No I'm not so naive at to believe sf developers will accept 10%. I just said EVERYBODY ELSE most other places in america accepts 10% and that is GROSS profit not NET.

You greedy ass motherfucker.

Now I'm curious what bank you go to that offers a 10% cd.......

sucka I refer you to my previous statement.

(cool-aid drinker)

what am i drinking? i'm not the one that blindly follows the socialist agenda here in the city that will lead us all to ruin.

i actually think for myself. you should try that sometime. you might actually like it.

;)

Dan -- Why do you suppose there are so many "suffering people" in San Francisco?

What percentage of those on the street today are truly victims of these "evil" landlords, who were renters here, were forced out, have nowhere else to go and AREN'T substance abusers? What percentage of them came here and had a place to stay (perhaps with friends) but never actually had their names on a lease, and ended up migrating to the street? What percentage of them have made the decision to use addictive substances, which keeps them poor? And what percentage of them are nothing more than opportunists, thieves and con artists, here to take whatever they can? I think that even you will have to admit that people in the latter 3 categories far outnumber the first category of people on SF's sidewalks.

With those percentages in mind, do you advocate taking tax dollars away from both the taxpayers and the truly needy category 1 people to give to categories 2, 3 and 4 people? Do you think it's just to lump all of the people on San Francisco's streets together as "suffering people" and continue to accommodate and enable them indefinitely? I really would like to know.

he lives in the tender knob and thinks he's close enough to the tl to call himself a man of the people.

i doubt he has the balls to answer you anonymister, or to admit which of those 4 groups his mother came from.

;)

Jen:

I could only hope to have a GF who would stick up for me like you do for GN. That is, unless you're POSTING as "jen" and your initials are Peter Ragone.

This whole smear campaign on Daly has his fingerprints all over it.

"I'd be suprised if rincon makes 10 percent and sells out in the next 5 years.

It will be a ghost town for several reasons, the 50mm being one of many. They have no deeded parking, again thanks to daly, so nobody wants to buy. Its ugly, its next to a bridge, literally, its in a horrible part of town."

Hey retard, Rincon hill is almost fully in contract. The only thing that isnt doing all that well are the 14 townhomes at the base.
But keep spewing misinformation as fact..

"Only 2 of 14 townhomes, but 368 of 376 tower condos, in contract "

It's on socketsite.com

Only in SF does someone get to make up things online and have it be trusted as fact.

I just have to chime in and say that Rincon Hill is a great area to live in ... close to The Embarcadero, AT&T Park, and the FiDi (where many of us work at not necessarily above "median area incomes"). The Infinity is fabulous .... One Rincon Hill takes a little getting used to, but has contracts on almost all of their first tower units (these are unlikely subprime buyers, though that's debatable), and Millennium will be a dandy once it is finished.. not to mention the other four or so high-rise condo projects in the queue ... and then there's the rebirth of the Transbay Transit Center.

Sure, folks will be made at the "changes," but high-rise condos make sense for the environment, the demand for housing in the area, and for turning a once delapidated part of town into a bustling new neighborhood.

Rincon Hill is a rising star .... and yes, I live there so there is definite bias.

Fun.

Ok we have over a 100 empty shelter bed's in the city nightly! But we have people sleeping in doorways??? True a percent are mental cases but a large percent are supporting habits stealing/B&E's on car's. Housing can be provided if the indivduals takes step's and follow's some basic rules. But as stated many get an SRO and won't work so now you've got a percent housed stealing doing crack so on and so on. Business is good the dealers take BART work those area's well, wear 300 Nikes are celled up with look out's
Use young females who carry crack in their pu--y the male carry in there mouth so if confronted by SFPD swollow it BAM no evidence.
Why do i know this i live in 6 walking to work i watch it daily, i've seen a girl count money i left when she hit 3000.00 no 1040 required.
When does the killing start when some wants that area or someone got beat out of $$$$$$

retard,

in contract only means you put down a deposit of 2k, not that you closed and funded your purchase. go ask someone not on the sales team over there and be specific. 'how many transactions have closed over here, not deposits!'

clyde,

not surprising. the average homeless person will admit they like living on the street since they dont have anyone telling them to get up in the morning, hence they will never take the shelter option.