What's With These Homies Dissing My Girl?

SF_fishermans_wharf.jpgPoor Gavin. He goes on a little trip back east and his girlfriend posts on some blog and creates a major ruckus. Then everywhere he goes, tourist officials say bad things about his city. Like there's too much panhandling and prostitutes. Not to mention dirty. And expensive. Oh, and our convention facilities are not so hot but who cares about that?

So Gavin is proposing setting up community courts to help do something about those "quality of life" things. The problem being is that nothing is really done about people pissing in the streets or drunk in the streets (and Happy St. Paddy's Day too!) or offering to do all sorts of nasty things for $10. The police issue citations but nobody really faces any penalty for them.

It's looking like "quality of life" is going to be the big thing in the 2007 election, the one between Gavin and, ummm, well, umm, who knows. We sympathize with Gavin too because everytime we go home, we always hear gruff about the city. Like we're all a bunch of hippies or we beat up people for singing the National Anthem. After awhile, we just want to snap back and say "well, yeah, we're prettier than your city" or "yeah, like you have burritos." Still, it's one thing for us to do all the kvetching about the city, another for everyone else too. So, to all ya haters out there, we're so much prettier than you are.

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Didn't I read recently that the head of his Office for Criminal Justice used to be the director of Books Not Bars? But now all of a sudden they're all about the quality of life lockups? What does that office do, anyway?


From what I can gather they take trips to New York and study "best practices", such as going to New York.

Community courts?! How about real courts. NYC didn't need community courts to enforce quality of life rules, they just fucking did it.


What we need is a DA who won't throw out all those pissing, littering, and panhandling tickets.

SF may be "prettier" now, but that's no thanks to the residents of this city which don't seem to know the concept of a trash can. Every morning, I see tons of new trash outside my condo sidewalk. You can't issue tickets for bad manners.

They've been pimping these CC's for years. Does that make the courts at 850 Bryant non-community courts?

QandA I hear ya on the trash. I live half a block down from an elementary school and those little bastards throw trash down while their parents WATCH!!!

And theoretically, you COULD issue tickets for bad manners. But if we can't even get cops to enforce traffic laws (I actually heard them at a cafe discussing/admitting this fact), then people are free to toss trash with inpunity.

And I live in a tourist neighborhood. You'd think they'd at least want to keep THAT area clean. But you would be wrong.

You can't issue tickets for bad manners.

Oh yes you can.

Lots of cities both issue tickets for quality of life offenses, and make sure people actually pay them through real enforcement. SF is not willing to do this, and this is why it is a stinking pit of urine and trash.

We certainly don't need NYC-style "Quality of life" Cops. What the hell kind of 1984-style newspeak is that, anyway.

Under the QoL enforcement in NYC, people get beat by cops or slammered for stickering, postering, passing flyers and playing the wrong kind of music too loud. It's goal is fsckin stepford. No thanks. Gimme some grit, some grime and let's keep the city alive - not febrezed and all dust swept under the rug of cleanliness and "morality".

If you see someone pissing on a wall or throwing trash in the street, act yourself and say something. You might make a friend. Or an enemy. It doesn't matter, it's all for the better. Don't just whine and beg for big brother.

It's not "they" who should keep the neighborhood clean. It's you.

Just a thought.

I am not opposed to more Q o L enforcement, but I don't care so much about the street pissing, as I do the street shooting. And the street shooting-up.

How can I get in on this NY field trip thing, KWillets?

I don't know. That might make a good question for the next Gavina Monologues.

DLN is right -- it's up to citizens to maintain law and order, not the police. Next time you see someone run a red light, try pulling them over to give them a ticket.

It's like those signs I've been working on: "Respect Our Neighbors -- No Shooting After 10 pm".

All folks need is a little nudge.

I'd love to the Green Party's candidate/Gonzo's position on these issues...

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Mirkarimi has been clear about cleaning up the crap. The Greens are also not beholden to the Democratic groupthink which keeps shovelling money to the crime-enabling Housing Authority.

is there a link or any documentation available online for the Green's position on a solution for these big San Francisco problems?

That's just great, how about we also remind the mayor that there's still a long list of unsolved capital crimes waiting to be solved? and get these criminals before they die of old age.

If you gotta go and there is no restroom available where does one go?They took out the public toilet at 6th&Mission.So when the things that went on in there goes back out on to the street.Is there a real solution to things that bother people in every day life.Chris Daly has come up with a solution to pee&poo and other QoL issues on 6th street.As far as community courts go, well they can be effective if given the support that it needs.Like people from the community in attendance voicing their opinions to the offenders for their offenses. They sure are not going to hear them writing about what pisses you off/on.

The main "quality of life issue" starts with being able to actually live your life without getting shot and killed in this city! More people needlessly died again today. What was that Gavin said about signing up for his own recall if the homicide rate didn't start dropping? Until they start shooting people in Gordon Gettys neck of the woods all is fine in room 200. Gavins idea of doing a good job is chasing tail and looking in the mirror, oh and I don't want to forget attending fake rehab sessions so he doesn't get accused of raping his employee. This Newsom/Getty or Getty/Newsom administration of fools has to go!

OK, the community courts are a GOOD idea. Read this article:

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/17/MNGGEON77R1.DTL

Particularly good is the plan to require people picked up for trashing our city to IMMEDIATELY do something about it. Anyway, if the Coalition For Homelessness opposes it, we know it's a good idea.

Of course the supervisors won't do anything about it, because they are too busy pretending to be the U.S. Senate, but maybe this can be done administratively?

Question for DLN - I agree that we should take these matters into our own hands. Do you also think I should take the liberty of just running over a few stupid f--king bicyclsts on Market Street who don't obey the same traffic laws that most of us obey? I would not mind.

No, the court on Bryant street isn't a "community court" -- it's the court for whole city. the community court would only address offences from a particular geographic area. and while yes the effort on homicide has to be increased, it's no answer to just say everything else can be ignored. everything is connected, and a nicer neighborhood engenders pride in the neighborhood and a lower crime rate overall. and the money isn't all coming from the same place.

The NYC community court is a pretty impressive place. all the so-called progressives don't ever propose any change or solutions, just more of the same. good for gavin for seeing a program that works and trying to make it work here.

Sorry, din, but at this point, after 30 years of living in SF, I'd welcome a bit of Stepfordsville into The City. The lunatics (literally) have had free rein for too long.

And I strongly disagree that we should approach grimy, gritty nutcases pissing on the streets and try to make them our friends. That's why we pay taxes to fund a police department.

People don't you know that this city already has a community court?

http://sfdistrictattorney.org/page.asp?id=44
This link will take you to info about the community courts that already exist in this city. This is no Gavin idea. I wish he would stop trying to take credit for other peoples doings.

The "community courts staffed by volunteers" (prev. link) are NOT what is proposed here. This is a REAL court that can order REAL sanctions and maybe actually get results. Clearly what we have now is not working, and maybe it's because it's not a real court.

yuppie goons and their hygiene obssesions are the real garbage on our streets. i cant wait until they all realize that high density living=a fair amount of non-sterility and move themselves back to mountainview (oh! if only sf could be as creepy as the google campus, wouldnt it be a lovely place to live). the idea of ticketing homeless panhandlers and urinators who havent go a dollar to buy a beer or a burrito is perhaps the stupidest suggestion so far on the subject. yes, lets waste police time handing out tickets to people who wont (b/c cant) afford to pay them and then when they dont, lets have the city pay to lock them up for a few days on the public dole.

Sorry Chris, but there is nothing wrong with wanting cleaner streets without aggressive panhandlers pissing and shitting in the streets with impunity. I don't know anything about Mountain View and have been unimpressed with much from Google, but sounds like you have some anger - did they refuse you a job?

@yeah but.The thing is that I know alot of the people that are involved with the SOMA CC and I hear that not as many cases such as QoL issues aren't being referred like they are suppose to be.The punishment that is doled out is a fair 96 hours of community service.Plus the defendant gets to hear a ear full from the people in the community.

Well, obviously, the "community courts" that exist here aren't working. So I'm all for trying out some new ones. Say what you will about NY enforcement but they experienced a drastic reduction in violent crime, so they are obviously doing something right. I am sure we can find some sort of more SF-friendly hybrid that will still reduce crime in our city.

community courts are not real courts.

Still the CC that the Mayor proposes won't hold up to due process.

Coalition on Homelessness
Position Paper on Poverty Courts


Erroneously named “community courts,” the poverty court being proposed by Mayor Newsom for the Tenderloin aims to limit the due process rights of homeless people. This court would focus on status crimes, i.e. those activities that are unavoidable for people who are poor and living on the streets. Poverty courts represent a further step towards the permanent criminalization of poor and homeless people, disguised as a more compassionate approach to “quality of life” issues. However, since no amount of punishment will ever succeed in lifting people out of poverty, this court will only deepen the cycle of incarceration and homelessness.

1. The Overall Concept in San Francisco

While the City has no plan for the court, and is facing mounting opposition, the information we have gathered indicates they would red-line a portion of the poorest neighborhood in San Francisco (the Tenderloin), and any sleeping, sitting, vending, camping, graffiti, and prostitution tickets received in this area would be sent to a special court. The police would march the individual immediately to an overnight stay in jail, and/or over to court, and punishment would be swiftly doled out. In the Mid-Manhattan model, which Newsom administration has decided to re-create, punishment for sleeping is cleaning the sidewalk in front of the world’s largest corporate headquarters.

2. Poverty Courts Further Criminalize Poverty

• While alternative sentencing might be a positive solution for minor misdemeanors, they actually increase the punishment for low-level crimes that are currently defined as mere infractions.

• This proposed court would target so-called “quality-of-life” crimes, such as sleeping in public spaces. The court would criminalize basic life-sustaining activities that are unavoidable and are disproportionately and selectively enforced against poor and homeless people.

• This poverty court would further embed local homelessness policy in the criminal justice system. The police, arbitrators, and community service punishments cannot solve homelessness: This can only perpetuate the cycle of homelessness.

• The perception that services are attached at the end of the criminal justice system may serve as encouragement to law enforcement agents to issue even more citations, even when a person is not in violation of the law.

• During Mayor Newsom’s Administration, $5.7 Million have been spent on issuing over 32,000 “Quality of Life” citations.

3. Attaching Social Services to the Criminal System is Poor Policy

• Despite the housing initiatives of the current local administration, we still lack sufficient housing, jobs, or healthcare to provide an exit from homelessness.

• Placing people who have been sentenced by the court into treatment may not be feasible: There are currently hundreds of people on the wait lists for residential treatment, as well as methadone maintenance among individuals voluntarily seeking treatment. Mandatory services through the court system place those who are sentenced by the court ahead of those who may have been on waiting lists for months or years at a time.

• Prioritizing those in the criminal justice system creates a strange triage process, where people are prioritized based on having interacted with the police as opposed to having a dire need of the service.

• The type and duration of services typically offered, such as counseling, AA meetings and ESL classes are not effective. Stabilization beds, shelter beds and other brief services do not address the root cause of homelessness and poverty.

• This administration’s track record with Prop M (aggressive panhandling) was quite poor. The Mayor promised voters that panhandlers would get “treatment;” they did not. Apparently, there is no treatment for panhandling. Like Proposition M, there is no funding for services attached to this initiative.

• Creating new services specifically for this poverty court would be ill advised and would produce backward public policy whereby police officers would act as triage nurses deciding who got access to scarce services.

4. Due Process

• If this poverty court were modeled after the Mid-Manhattan court and similar ones around the country, it would deprive homeless and poor individuals of their due process of law and raise concerns over involuntary servitude.

• People of very low incomes do not receive adequate representation within the courts. This poverty court would exacerbate this problem by affording poor people less, not more, access to due process rights. Victimized, abused, and discriminated against by society at large, the homeless community needs more, not fewer, procedural safeguards when accused and subjected to criminal sanctions. The due process concerns are specific, numerous, and compounded when considering the rights of the poor and homeless individuals:

THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT OF THE US CONSITUTION. Fundamental and unique to the US criminal justice system is the guarantee of basic due process rights. Essential to this is the hallmark that a criminal defendant is innocent until proven guilty. The majority of working models demand the guilt of the individual before them.

THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE US CONSITUTION. The poverty court’s assumption or demand of a guilty disposition violates the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution’s guarantee of freedom from self-incrimination. In light of the dramatic lack of legal representation of the homeless and poor community, any supposed voluntary participation in the system and requisite self-incriminating statements should be heavily scrutinized.

THE SIXTH AMENDMENT OF THE US CONSTITUTION. The models available now stand in violation of the Sixth Amendment right to counsel and trial by jury. No poverty court model offers the most basic of guarantees, the right to appointed counsel. As applied to homeless and poor individuals, the poverty court proposal threatens to take us back a time before Mississippi v. Brown, when vicious discrimination in the criminal justice system routinely deprived African Americans the right to have a lawyer in their defense.

NO REMEDY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS. Traditional courts exclude evidence obtained in violation of the US Constitution. The poverty courts offer no remedy and nothing to deter illegal searches of homeless persons. The entire proposal completely ignores the overwhelming problem of government misconduct and intrusion into the privacy of homeless individuals, and the obvious tragedy of malicious prosecution of the homeless and poor community.

NO FORMAL RULES OF EVIDENCE. Traditional courts use formal rules to prohibit unreliable, irrelevant, and prejudicial evidence. Poverty Courts do not restrict the use of this evidence. Subject to grave public animus and frequent police misconduct, the homeless community must be protected from unfair prejudice.

THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT OF THE US CONSTITUTION. The entire process of inundating the homeless community with quality of life infractions for conduct that they must engage in because of their homelessness violates the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, as determined by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. It is cruel and unusual punishment to penalize persons for acts in which they must engage.

• Community service sentences for homeless and poor persons denied due process raise concerns over involuntary servitude and threaten organized labor. The Coalition on Homelessness welcomes service as an alternative to incarceration. However, regularly sentencing a homeless person through a system in which they are routinely denied due process, subjected to unfounded accusations, and penalized for their housing status is inhumane. Community service sentencing that displaces once paid and unionized workers with involuntary servitude is a threat to the rights of labor.

5. Poor Use of Public Funds

This court has a preliminary price tag of $1.3 million, that most likely is for acquisition of a building alone and does not include innumerable court, attorney, clerical, or other service costs. We believe that cities and counties should cease funding the criminalization of poor and homeless individuals, and instead use public funds to address the root causes of poverty and homelessness. Root causes include the lack of affordable housing and the limited scale of housing assistance programs, as well as people’s inability to pay for housing, food, childcare, healthcare, and education.

6. Summary

Millions of homeless people across the country live in peril of detention, abuse, or incarceration by law enforcement officers for no reason other than that they have no home. Poverty courts further embed local homeless policy in the criminal justice system and hold no promise of adequate housing or services required to exit homelessness. The criminalization of poor and homeless individuals does not address the root causes of poverty and homelessness.

The call for a community court in the Tenderloin to expedite criminal prosecution of homeless people is simply another election year ploy. The Mayor of San Francisco has high hopes hung upon the poverty court proposal as a solution to the problems of inner city neighborhoods; these hopes are unrealistic. The proposed poverty court would simply waste public funds, and pose a greater threat to the rights of the homeless community—a group that already faces extreme discrimination in society and in the criminal justice system. This poverty court would further criminalize the homeless community, violate the due process rights to our homeless population, and would systematize involuntary servitude. Accordingly, the Coalition on Homelessness registers our opposition to the proposed “community court.”

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