Not A Girl's Kind Of Girl

WTF? Are you saying that women should never criticize each other? This is stupid.

Are you there Jennifer? It's me, Margaret. Oh wait, it's not Margaret. It's your self-appointed E-intervenor. Welcome to your E-intervention. Pull up a chair.

First of all, there's good reason for tons of people to be hella jealous (envious, to be more precise) of you. You're a natural beauty, you had a great upbringing, and you managed not to turn out like a Paris Hilton.

However, we have this:

"If people did research into the scandal ... the woman is the culprit"

Did you really mean to use the largest newspaper in NorCal to publicly invite "people" to do "research" into the affair? Did you really mean to hold one person 100% responsible for the whole deal? Really?

Here's your three-step program:

1. Send a hand-written note of apology to Ruby.

2. Make a public apology. Something like you got carried away, you're not used to being in the public eye, you were misquoted (not likely to be even remotely credible even though those ellipses DO look a little funny), you got along so well with the interviewer you treated her like a girlfriend and so you just offered your best intuition on the matter, something like that. Obviously you are privvy to more details than the general public, but whatever you are suggesting, it doesn't matter, even if you think it's true, even if it is true.

3. Move on

The sooner the better.

She sounds very young and naive.

Also, it could very well be that she is just parotting word for word what the Mayor told her. Maybe he really believes that Mrs. Tourk is to blame.

In a few years I think Ms. Seibel will grow up and will regret her words.

Clearly, she isn't the brightest. She also made the following, incredibly insightful, politially-minded and relevant comment in support of Gavin:
"I'm surprised Gavin has any opponents. No offense to anyone, but I mean, come on, guys -- this is one of the best mayors in the world."
Wow, now THIS is what a Stanford education will apparently get you.

I 100% agree with Renee's comment.

Plus she insulted Matt Gonzalez. That's a no-no, sweetheart.

I think the interview gave us a pretty good snap shot into the thoughts of Gavin Newsom. 1) Gavin is a victim of the media and Ruby Tourk 2) He is a great mayor, even if he has not accomplished anything 3) This is all so tiresome, can't we focus on important things like making Gavin Governor and Jennifer a movie star?

I can't believe that 70% of voters in SF like this act...

She was *right* about Matt. Women throw themselves at him, and nobody really knows why.

hey there- So not meant the article to be what it was. most of the quotes were from the 5 min. follow-up phone call a few days later when i was sleep deprived and caught off guard. the events are in the past...i don't believe i even used the word "culprit". gals, i am a total woman's woman, girls girl, and i am just as sadenned that the article came out the way it did. i should have said in the article, "normally i would support the woman", but in this case, i could not, given the circumstances and ruby's checkered history...which anyone close to the subject matter knows.

also, tom siebel is not my uncle. he is my second cousin once removed. no financial connection whatsoever.

Rita, this isn't the first time you've written something not so nice about me. i appreciate that you think i need a stylist given the jacket i wore to the town hall but i can't afford it and i am sorry you think i dress so poorly. i hope you'll just leave me out of the press. i really meant no harm other than to protect gavin (per the reporter's questioning) and was caught off guard. and, you will think what you want, but i didn't want to do this interview anyway, and unfortunately was encouraged by my director and the publicist and i apologize for being caught off guard and so open re: the gavin situation. they had promised us that it wouldn't be personal and that it was just about the movie and i was naive.

i am a gals gal, have three sisters and have a ton of women friends and been pro women's issues and women supporting each other. ask any of them. eventually you'll see for yourself. it's why i gave my film company the name girls club originally and it's why i am producing a documentary on strong iconoclastic women who inspire us and can serve as role models to girls around the world. but i am not going to blindly support a woman who has cheated on her husband multiple times and watch while my boyfriend is the only one who gets punished..and, what, for something a long time ago when the man was going through a crises- divorce, the loss of his mother, the pressures of being mayor, etc. and he was vulnerable and lonely? and, what's your definition of affair? he's been so hurt by this all -- personally and professionally- and it was a few nothing incidents when she showed up passed out outside of his door. come on guys, have a heart. I have tried to see Ruby's side of the story but unfortunately everyone near to her has stories and says she is bad news.

i am turning that google alert off so don't expect to hear from me again but i hope you will give me a chance as a woman's woman and trust that i am a genuine person and didn't mean to harm anyone by this and the press is the press and they'll write the story they want...you may not like me but the one thing you have to know is that i am a girls' girl and I'll always be one..i just wish as women that some of us had more respect for ourselves and didn't always throw ourselves at the men....not a big deal, the press just decided to make it that. also, something to consider, we have so much power as women and yet it's taken away by stuff like this- gossip and mistruths. let's just let the past be in the past. gavin's a great mayor, if you think i am horrible and not a girls' girl, well hopefully you will change your mind.

i shouldn't even be writing this but i hate the press- and wish i hadn't been talked into doing it. and, not one second of this has been fun. believe me. i honestly don't think what i said was in anyway mean to ruby- there are two sides to everything. i just wish her the best in her recovery and marriage and i just wish that she would leave gavin and i alone and stop causing all of this drama and gossip. she did a bad thing to her husband and needs to take responsibility. gavin is and has taken responsiblity and it's not like i haven't given him tough love through this at times. but anyone close to him knows he is a good man and a great mayor and think what you want of me, i'm just trying my best and obviously making mistakes here and there. i didn't know i was getting into this mess in the first place and it's been a hard position to be in. i hope you all will just leave me out of this...and let the past stay in the past.

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

I think the Chronicle needs to publish what the "..." is in "If people did research into the scandal ... the woman is the culprit."

That quote is as horrible as it is hilarious. What sort of research should we be doing? Every shred of public knowledge about Gavin and Ruby has been covered to death by SFist, the Chronicle, ABC-7, and CBS-5. Unless Jennifer has some inside knowledge of Ruby slipping Gav a roofy, I don't know what she's talking about.

Yikes! I shoulda hit refresh before posting that comment. If that is the real Jen (and it does sound like her), I can understand how it must suck to be caught up in this mess that she didn't make. And I can understand how a reporter could twist her words. I also like what she says about Girl Power, but you can't say:

we have so much power as women and yet it's taken away by stuff like this- gossip and mistruths.

[Ruby] showed up passed out outside of his door...I have tried to see Ruby's side of the story but unfortunately everyone near to her has stories and says she is bad news.

I'm just so confused as to why she's got a stick up her butt about not being a "girl's girl." Does she not know she made an ass of herself refering to Gavin as the innocent one, or the best mayor in the world? Or that she's making it totally obvious that there's nothing but air in that pretty little head of hers?

Why is it such a big deal that Rita called you "not a girl's girl"?!

Gee, I wonder why Clooney broke up with her?
She seems so stable! Gavin, I hope the sex is hot at least if you have to suffer through all this nonsense. This one makes the alien Scienco lady seem like a Rhodes scholar.

I tried giving Jennifer a chance, I really did. I even sympathized for her while reading that interview. My heart filled with joy knowing Gavin was dating a relatively smart woman. I could even excuse the silly "he's innocent" or "the best mayor in the world" quotes, because, let's face it, women love their men. And when you're not that politically inclined, Gavin can come off as a good mayor. A great mayor, even.

But that comment she left (if it was truly her, and I have no reason to believe it wasn't) was nothing short of retarded. I mean...what the hell? Sleep deprivation and stupid phone calls are excusable... but come on! I've read more intelligent LiveJournal comments, and those are 14 year old girls talking.

Ya killed it Jen.

hey Jennifer
I hope this brief affair (ahemmm,LOVE affair) with our famous mayor helps you land a real role.

I hope this brief affair (ahemmm,LOVE affair) with our famous mayor lasts long enough for him to help your 'production company' actually produce something.

No, actually, I dont. I hope we have ALL forgotten your name a year from now. He should have stayed with the 20 year old.... at least she was hot and seemed fun. You come across like a real pill.... it would suck having you as our 'first lady'.

byebye

wow. the worst part of the whole thing is the completely inappropriate disclosure of how the incidents took place, including the state that ruby was in.

um, beyond being totally f-ed up that the mayor's new gal is disclosing such information, my other reaction is:

doesn't this information make the whole thing worse - that the mayor essentially took advantage of someone who was perhaps incapacitated physically, in addition to certainly having incapacitated judgement?

yikes.

It's as simple as this. You don't mess with your friend's wife.

I don't know if Jennifer Siebel really wrote this but if she did... geesh ! Ruby "showed up passed out outside his door ?" Oh, so this was all her fault... it's sort of like the thinking, well she was drunk and so she asked for it ? Wasn't the mayor drinking at the time as well ? It always takes two to tango !

If this is the real Jennifer, then she is even more naive than I thought. Go to some Al-anon meetings,for friends, family and significant others of alcoholics, honey. Keep the focus on yourself . I think you're in over your head and don't even realize it.

I just have to say THANK GOD FOR ALIX ROSENTHAL. What would we do without her expertise on all things? Keep it coming Alix! Halloween, Healthy Saturdays and now blonde bimbos.

Shame on you Jen. Shame on you Gavin. Mostly shame on you San Franciscans who reward this behavior with approval ratings. Look at your Muni, your traffic your cost of living and quality of life. They are all in the gutter right next to your beloved Mayor's morals and values. When will this man be judged by the quality of his performance and not by the quantity of hair gel? Loyalty has never been Gavin's strong point but why should it be at 70% approval. He can do what he wants -when he wants to do it -to whomever he chooses so long as he can get away with it. WAKE UP VOTERS. btw, Alix makes a very valid point above.

Okay, so my best friend's wife has shown up at my door drunk. It is simple, I put her to bed and I slept on the sofa. If they are that drunk it is pretty easy to let them pass out somewhere. In the morning we had a long talk, she went into counseling, with her husband, and they continue to be happily married. Nothing extraordinary on my part, I am sure it happens to many people.

This scandal is not about Ruby’s choice, it was bad, we know that, this is about Gavin’s choice to sleep with her. Now his girlfriend is trying to make him the victim. It is interesting that the Newsom folks can’t leave this alone. If they would stop talking about it, the scandal would die.

Yeah, what would cool hip Alix know about dating someone high up to further her career. Oh wait. new boyfriend, new politics!!

At this rate, the SFist message board will bring down the whole Newsom administration within months. Can someone please bait Heather Fong a little more so she can commit professional suicide too?

Seriously, how long until Gavin, himself, starts posting on this board? Now that he is sober and has a boring girlfriend, he is likely to spend a lot more time on the internet. Don't you think?

Speak for yourself Kevin. Contrary to popular belief, most people have a moral compasss. Most people don't sleep with their close friend's wife or do things as equivalently bad.

Most people get through their entire lives NOT having acted like an asshole.

Its called values. Most of us don't. You have apparently extrapolated your own personal flaws and projected them onto the rest of us.

I dated a girl that went to Stanford business school with her. Based on the stories I heard regarding her conduct in class (which include a professor openly mocking her in class) and a handful of very brief interactions I had with her at social functions, I concluded that she is either:

1) dumb as a brick or
2) feels the need to act as dumb as a brick to get attention (she wouldn't be the first pretty girl I've met that did so).

She is also not remotely poor, though for some reason she liked the play that one off all the time in school as well. Hard to be convincing of that when you drive a Porsche, wear nothing but designer clothes, and live in a giant house in Atherton.

More than anything, I wonder what Gavin's deal is. Why does he always fall for the hollow social-climbing types? Homeboy needs to find himself a smart, sophisticated, self-confident, independent woman.

Um, folks, this is a freaking internet message board...we have no way of knowing if that is the real Jennifer Seibel above...Get a grip...Comment on her words that were in the Chron, but don't even dignify the stuff with any level of seriousness here until someone proves it is actually her...

Jeez.

James wrote: "More than anything, I wonder what Gavin's deal is. Why does he always fall for the hollow social-climbing types? Homeboy needs to find himself a smart, sophisticated, self-confident, independent woman."
........
Isnt' that what Gavin is, though? A hollow, social-climbing type? Like father, like son, and the Newsoms are no exception.

Wow,

How can a satirist compete with real life at City Hall? And, what's with all these drunks showing up at the Mayor's door looking for sex? Does he has his number on bathroom walls?

h.

Liveandletlive, great post, and I mean that...Does this mean that you believe the post above is actually from the real Jen Siebel?

Yes, I am inclined to say it was written by one of the Mayor's staff.
But..I live in New York City...would the mayor's staff really be wasting their time reading this blog ? I can't imagine anyone on Bloomberg's staff stooping to this.

OhMyGosh jane, you have not been here long have you!

Perhaps she was misquoted by the Chronicle, but how do you explain the cheap shot she took at Alex and Ruby Tourk in her post?

PS Hank Essay - forgot to mention in my last note - yes, the earlier post was from Jennifer. Goodnight!

[comment deleted at request of poster. -- eds.]

This whole thing makes Kimberly's banana-BJ episode look like a knock-knock joke!

Does this nut job think she's getting her boyfriend more votes with her indecent and inappropriate attacks on the Tourk family? I'm sure Ragone is glad this isn't his headache this time. Poor Nathan Ballard. It's going to be a long week, pal. IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR HONEY-SHUT IT!!!

SFist has received email confirmation that comment number 15, above, was indeed written by Jennifer Siebel. The email says:

It was me and I apologize to all parties involved.

My favorite lines from LiveAndLetLive's very cleverly put together rant:

"She stepped firmly up to bat every time I, or any other woman, or any endangered ecosystem, needed a friend

antithesis of bimbo

dust bowl riddled with malaria and crocodiles

the mythology you have created for her here

yank back the claws of this bloodhungry crowd

social & media cannibalism

this particular slice of San Franciscans"

I wish I had that great of a PR person--I mean, friend!

>>Just a few hours after she posted the comments online Monday, Siebel, 32, issued an apology through her friend, San Francisco public relations executive and close Newsom friend, Lori Puccinelli Stern, who confirmed the Internet post was actually written by Siebel.

Just a wild guess: LiveAndLetLive = Lori Stern?

Everyone knows the MBA students are the airheaded morons of university graduate programs. While in grad school in one of the grad programs that actually required reasoning capacity and English writing skills, I had the eye-awakening experience at a Law School/B-School/Med-School/Etc. School mixer to meet far too many of these money grubbing morons. 10% were relatively intelligent and destined for a major investment house on the Street or to McKinsey or Bain or the equivalent. The rest - complete morons. And I was at Stanford-level university. I can't even imagine what kind of MBA grads the U. of Bumfuck produces.

I don't know what kind of questions they ask on the GMAT but I can only assume you get to complete it using crayons.

As far as going to Africa to lick malaria-infested babies or whatnot, being an upper-middle class white girl doing a year in the Peace Corps, while worthwhile, isn't exactly out of the ordinary or "blow me away with your awesome self-sacrifice." Its well known that the Peace Corps of today is primarily a post-college year abroad program for upper-middle class, predominantly white kids who happen to have a slightly volunteer bent. That and it looks good on those grad school applications.

Oh, and sweetheart - don't be telling the world that she showed up at your BF's front door drunk and passed out in the middle of the night. Drunk girl + teh sex = sex without consent = potential rape allegations.

Don't try to fix this on the Interwebs, PR flack or not - its like fighting the ocean with a thimble. There's too many smart folks out here who will completely call you on your shit.

hey sfist folks - how about not being so mean? if you want to discuss something of relevance to politics - which some commenters have - then by all means do it. of course, there is no privacy in politics, as all people who willingly enter that realm know all too well after a very short while. you lose privacy, and in some ways, usefull perspective. it seems like a lot of folks here just want to take cheap shots at the mayor's girlfriend. ok, fine to discuss breaches of trust and appropriate public commentary and whatever - but perhaps scale back the nasty posts with attacks about her personal life, her career, her education, etc.? think about how you might react maybe differently if the subject were someone you supported politically... so how about injecting a little dignity into the discourse? this is not a pleasant subject from the get go, and some of the comments are amazingly base and vindictive. stick to the real stuff that matters. she is a person with feelings, and this whole thing must be awfully hard to weather. -cat

Regarding this comment: "Have you or any of your supporters considered that the Tourk's have a child who may one day see the hateful words you used in the press regarding their parents?"

Think about Monica Lewinsky. If you have an affair with the mayor, you have to take some accountability for it and expect some backlash, maybe even gossip(!). Even though I hate all this "let's go to rehab" business, at least people are trying to be accountable for their behaviors rather than the sexist past where everyone assumed that politicians had affairs and no one talked about it.

I totally agree with Alix's points though. If this behavior went on at a major corporation, Gavin would have been fired for sexual harrassment. It is his responsibility as "boss" to not get involved with subordinates.

Take on my post if you like, but the difference here is not whether the affair happened-that's been discussed and acknowledged publicly by those involved. My point is this girl is pointing fingers and casting blame, while revealing seedy details. Alex, Ruby and even Gavin have been respectful in the fact that they have not voiced their personal gripes regarding the mattter, Jennifer crossed a line she had no place even mentioning.

Run Gavin Run...away that is. ...(and fire the staffer who conducted the background check)

While DUI (Dating Under the Influence) Gavin fell prey to a "culprit" of sorts. Check out the web page www.jennifersiebel.com - the BIO section is most illuminating...

I can't decide which quote I like better and trust me, one can't make this stuff up.

Here are the top three:

1. "Sustainable Micro-Credit Opportunities"

" I spent a summer advising indigenous communities in La Amistad Biosphere Reserve, Costa Rica, on various environmentally sustainable micro-credit opportunities available to them, I studied wildlife management AND the culling of big game on a nature reserve outside of Nairobi, Kenya, AND I worked with women in the San Bushmen communities of Botswana to market and export their environmentally and socially responsible artisan goods.

One Sentence? Clearly not an English major at Stanford...Perhaps, hit too many times in the head with the soccer ball... and just what are "socailly responsible aritisan goods."

2. Infiltrate It
" Why pursue such a challenging career at this point in your life? My answer: THEY'RE ALL connected. Arts, politics, humanitarianism, the environment, poverty alleviation, global peace, homelessness, education, etc…they are all intertwined. Hollywood has A VOICE. It has a very powerful voice. Is it the smartest, most informed, purest voice? Certainly not. But its’ voice resonates throughout the world through modern technology and global distribution systems. It AFFECTS and INFLUENCES our mindsets and actions every day. If one can’t beat it, WHY NOT INFLITRATE IT. It’s just another means to an end."

Has Gavin been infilitrated? Is he just a means to an ambitious actress's end? Are we just mere stepping stones on a path to self realization?

And finally,

3. A Cause Worthier Than My Own

" My love of Africa and my passion for conservation and poverty alleviation throughout the world inspired me to seek out and develop diverse projects that would bring awareness to causes worthier than my own."

....Gavin, you are worthier than this. San Franfcisco is worther than this. So, it might have been a rough few months, but you can do better. Make a clean break.

Gavin, please, do yourself a favor, please do us a favor, do San Francisco a favor, do the right thing and end this relationship before it's too late.

whoa, nellie, y'all made the bigs...it's on the front page of the Chron now...

So, basically Jen Siebel just came onto this board and suggested Gavin took advantage of Ruby Tourk while she was intoxicated? Nice job. You just implied that the 'best mayor in the world' is a date rapist. I'm sure he'll appreciate it greatly. You need to flip the switch on your self-censure mechanism there, Jen. To me, the real victim is the person who was taken advantage of sexually while intoxicated. And that person IS NOT Gavin Newsom.

To All Of You...I'd like to ask, where is the mutual responsibility for this affair anyway? Ruby Tourk willingly participated in an extramaritial affair with Gavin Newsom. Being a 32-year old woman I assume she wasn't taken advantage of. So why hasn't Alex Tourk condemned his own wife for the same behavior that he and his followers have condemned the Mayor for?

Might there be something else to gain?

What the heck is a girl's girl anyway? And why did Jennifer Siebel feel the need to assert repeatedly that she's a girl's girl & inject her film company, Girl's Club, into it all?

The poor woman suffers from blogorrhea.

This is the best thread ever

261. (a) Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a
person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any of the following
circumstances:
(1) Where a person is incapable, because of a mental disorder or
developmental or physical disability, of giving legal consent, and
this is known or reasonably should be known to the person committing
the act. Notwithstanding the existence of a conservatorship pursuant
to the provisions of the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (Part 1
(commencing with Section 5000) of Division 5 of the Welfare and
Institutions Code), the prosecuting attorney shall prove, as an
element of the crime, that a mental disorder or developmental or
physical disability rendered the alleged victim incapable of giving
consent.
(2) Where it is accomplished against a person's will by means of
force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of immediate and unlawful
bodily injury on the person or another.
(3) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating
or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this
condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the
accused.

notice 261(a)(3)........hmm, sound familiar???
maybe Kamala can start up a an investigation that parallels Herrera's investigation into improperly [aying off the "culprit".....doubt it, but it would be nice....and by the way, if Jen didn't know "the best mayor in the world" at the time of the affair, one could only reasonably assume that she got her info from "TBMITW" himself.....can't wait for the confirmation of all those other rumors we keep hearing about....i wonder if there will be another round of "print one word and i'll sue you,your paper,and your TV station" from Byorn.....and Jen, thanks for the fantastic job of sticking your 60% off size 8 Diane VonFurstenberg pumps in your mouth.....at least they were on sale

I would love to address "Doors of Perception." Asking why Alex Tourk hasn't condemned his own wife for this behavior is a frickin' ludicrous question. Almost as bad as your fake name. The reason is because it's between him and his wife, you jerkoff. It isn't your place to tell Alex Tourk how he should conduct his own marriage. If you think so, I want you to divulge the inner workings of your marriage so everyone here can comment or condemn your marriage since you're quick to demand for the private marital action of Mr. and Mrs. Tourk. (It's only fair, right?) Such things are private-something that Ms. Siebel couldn't understand or respect, which is why she has aroused the public ire by commenting on this blog in the first place. Is there something to be gained? Yeah, we know that Jennifer Siebel is a big asshole without the slighest touch of class, compassion, or common sense. And it just confirms that Mayor Newsom had the worst taste in women. He should stick to his teen gal pals-they're so young that they don't even have a fully formed personality that we could fairly get to comment on! Therefore, we could just shut up and gawk at some 19 year old piece of supple ass.

the previous post was taken straight from the Ca Penal Code.....it almost seems like "TBMITW" could be prosecuted for 261(a)(3) w/Ruby as the victim and 261(a)(1) ( the whole mental disorder thing ) w/Jen as the victim...hmmmmm Go Kamala

Shut up "Doors of Perception"-are you some stooge for Siebel and Newsom? Girls shouldn't take shots in the press at other girls either. Blow it out your ass.

Thanks, JA for the update on the Penal Code. The trial would be interesting too. If
"TBMINTW" made statements regarding his "interaction" with Ruby (while intoxicated passed out - not necessary), I believe that under the California Evidence Code, Jennifer Siebel could now be called to testify regarding the statements made to her by "TBMINTHW" ( not hearsay, but rather declaration against Penal Interest) Now, that would be quite a "scene" as the tear filled Siebel takes the witness stand and if she refused to testify, she'd be held in contempt and go to jail.

Dave, really appreciated the intel on CI...Very, very disturbing... Do you have any more information and where could we go for more information?

Go to bed Gavin, I mean, doors of perception...

More info on CI can be found at the Center for Media and Democracy's SourceWatch:

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Conservation_International

More:

www.earthisland.org/eijournal/fall98/fe_fall98chiquita.html

CI are not alone in this. World Wildlife Fund and the Nature Conservancy have also been criticized for renting themselves out to multinationals seeking to greenwash themselves. However, CI are the most notorious in their wholesale whoring.

When Exxon, Chevron and BP Amoco are amongst your major corporate contributors, something just ain't right.

Dlobal Warming?

Real or Myth?
The summer around here seems to be a little bit warmer.

Seriously now. I read Jennifer's interview and thought it fine. Not the most eloquent quotes in the world, I admit, but hey, what interviews turn out to be perfect anyway?

As for the comment up above, which has been confirmed to have been the real deal, I would suspect that being in the delicate position of dating someone majorly in the public eye, being in a situation where every word is criticized and torn to shreds (this being a fine example of that), as well as, most likely, being called left and right by the mayor's PR people (something that would not surprise me seeing how blown out of proportion this has all become) can frazzle someone into a state of incoherence so no, her comment up above does not change my initial reaction of thinking her a likeable person and no, I do not know her and am secure enough with myself to not need to hate her either.

As for the whole affair... a)Who gives a flying rat's ass about it??? Get over it! Do I approve? Well, I do not approve of situations where lying and the like are involved but this directly involves Mr & Mrs Tourk as well as Mayor Newsom and is no one else's business beyond that, myself included, and so who am I to approve or disapprove? and b) As to the whole "she is the culprit" quote/misquote? Well, it takes two to tango and though Mayor Newsom is not without "fault", neither is Ruby Tourk but, once again, not our business and *GASP* my life goes on! Who'd a thunk it?

Yes.... Politics-like it or not "doors" you can not expect your private life not to become public fodder-especially when there is a scandal.

doorsofperception really sounds like a Newsom stooge-spin it this way and that...

hey doors...

ask anybody who's ever been required to take a drug test to get a job.

ask anybody who's ever applied to be a cop about the background checks and interviews.

so I think the ticker on the number of jobs I just covered is in the thousands.

but you couldn't think of one outside of politics.

ferme la bouche, mon frere

I surmise that none of the negative haters out there have any contect with their human side, or capacity for human flaws...

Let's be real-l-l-l-l-l honest, Gavin, and we-all are human. Want to have your foibles and mistakes magnified as those in the public eye are?

They're HUMAN, people... Stuff is gonna happen.

You know what? I think Ms. Seibel may be on to something... Maybe Ruby was the agressor. Any woman not seen that toward's her man? Any man not experienced an aggresive woman while he or she as spoken for?

STOP, holding public figures up to Christ-like stature.

We are all human....it only takes a moment to realize that one, or DUH, to act like one.

Sometimes life sucks, from all stations, and we feel lonely, and needy, and we accept, with or without the influence of alcohol, the one who reaches out to us...

Get real negativos...

w

My god. What a complete and total idiot. Guess what, "Jen" -- we DO think you are horrible: a horrible girlfriend who uses horrible grammar. (Ever hear of an apostrophe?)

You're clearly an airhead Stanford legacy. But I'll give you this: you must make the other bleach-blonds in the Marina pea green with envy (come on, now, your carpet doesn't match your drapes, not with those black eyebrows, Buffy). You snagged the Mayor! But I'll wager not for long, my pretty, not for long.

You have publicly accused Gavin of RAPE! Are you KIDDING ME? Can you possibly be that stupid? You better rush your butt over to his place and collect your toothbrush if you ever want to see it again, 'cause those locks are being changed pronto, no doubt.

I wondered why he copped the "alcohol problem" excuse, and I guess he was protecting himself in case some enemy pointed out that Ms Tourk was drunk when their encounters happened. You just proved yourself to be that enemy.

I voted for Gavin and I had planned to vote for him again until your comments emerged -- and now I seriously question his ability to make sound decisions if he keeps picking fuck bunnies like you.

I suggest you pack up all your bags and woes and return to the life you are meant for in Atherton, picking bees out of swimming pools, you Halliburton softy. And do try to learn something from this episode of your life.

(And what's up with your production company? Where did the money come for THAT?)

Amazing article in the Chronicle, even more amazing blog and astonishing post by Jen Siebel.

I've had mixed emotions about Gavin Newsom's behavior around this affair, feeling shock and dissapointment on the one hand, and compassion for all concerned, on the other.

But Ms. Siebel's comments in the Chronicle and here have made me wonder about what Gavin is telling both himself and Jen, and where Jen's rather heartless response comes from. My guess is that she's parroting what Gavin is telling her and she lacks judgement, common sense and depth.

It seems like it would be a good thing if Gavin were to stop scapegoating Ruby and do a lot of work on himself, while Jen might want to work on sensitivity, and most of all charity towards those whose lives have been turned upside down by this affair.

Blaming and shaming Ruby is the opposite of what Jen and Gavin should be doing, if Gavin is to face his inner demons.

The Three-Dot Lounge...

Since Jenn helped save the ecosystem... can we now sick her on Global Warming?...
Where did all the classy (& attractive) women go?...
Gavin = Best Mayor; therefore... Jenn = Best Actress?...
Let me get this straight... Gavin nailed a drunk employee... was she also on the clock? or on one of the time sheets in dispute? Yikes!! ...
Could poster LiveandLetLive be... Peter Ragone?
Note to Hank Essay: great job! You proved Dimbo #2...
Boy, that 20-year-old looks smarter every day...
Just wondering... were checks to Ruby... for Services Rendered?...
Jenn proves the difference between book smarts, & street smarts...
Lingerie model... 20 yo... Getty's grandson... Jenn... ???
Hugh sigh of relief from... George Clooney!
Could we please get Kimberly to interview Jenn & Ruby, since she is a gal's gal?
Best nickname: radio talk host Michael Savage... drum roll... Any Twosome Newsome?
Good night!...

Wow, has this blog ever taken on some wild twists and turns since yesterday!

My favorite achievement of Jen's that Lori Stern included is "saving bees from swimming pools."

In my hometown of NYC Mayor Bloomberg has a classy, smart and very attractive girlfriend named Diana Taylor , who has a big job in finance . They've been together for at least five years and I don't think she's ever spoken in public about her boyrfriend. Don't mean to impugn SF, but boy, I can't
believe the high schoolish behavior of your mayor and his girlfriend.

I agree with Sasha. The poster who talks about "folks" - Jack Yan -sounds like it could have been written by the Mayor.

Ms. Siebel's explanation of the Ruby Tourk incident sounds like it is just a parroting of your mayor's explanation " just a few nothing incidents when she showed up passed out outside his door," . Those words sounds just like something guys say to new and naive girlfriends when they're trying to minimize old flames - -- albeit politically incorrect and insensitive and sexist boyfriends .
The mayor still doesn't appear to have taken responsibility for his actions. I think there's a step in the AA program that talks about taking a searching and fearless moral inventory of oneself.. Hope he gets there.

Doors of Perception-From the comments of others, I am not only person that thinks that you're full of shit and probably some untalented City Hall hack/underling (probably a discipline of Peter Ragone no less). Don't worry though-I am sure that you will enjoy a long successful run as the assistant director of the Board of Health, which is where untalented people like you end up anyway. My vulgarity seems to be a mere reflection of Mayor Newsom and Ms. Siebel's behavior. Lack of kindness for Mrs. Tourk hardly begets kindness for Ms. Siebel and Mayor Newsom. As for free speech, defamation is not protected speech and what Ms. Siebel did constitued slander per se. Secondly, this scenarion is not comparable to the Clinton siutation: has Newsom lied under oath about having an affair with intern? Perhaps as a political hack from the Newsom camp, you are privy to some inside info that would make this comparable to the Clinton scandal. If so, then 1) please share and 2) you would be the one burying Newsom after Ms. Siebel has dug his grave. The fair readers of sfist.com are also still waiting for details of your marriage since you're so adamant about demanding Mr. Tourk to condemn his own wife in public.

What's so sad is that she's another victim of this predatory liar.

Not that she exhibits any signs of being able to stop and think, but if so, consider this:

If it was only "nothing incidents" and ruby was both "passed out" and the "culprit" (interesting juxtaposition, but ok....) why would he risk his career on her? hm? if she was really so unstable and it meant so little to him...

Or maybe, does it make more sense that perhaps he's the man scorned? That she left him for -- surprise!!: Alex, a very obvious better choice, after the newness and shine wore off of Gavin? He got dumped not only for the husband, but his own deputy? Ouch. Thought he had that one in the bag.

Why is he depressed, despondent and reeling? And dating a semi- resemblant, pretty, though not all the way there version of the stunning Ms Tourk?

Think, people.

just out of curiosity, what about this situation makes you think everyone's basically decent? They all look a little disturbed to me.

I do agree it's gotten out of hand with the rape allegations. I've read it through, and the assumption of rape / date rape never came up.

I think we were talking about human messiness until the last couple of days and now we're getting into deeply flawed character territory.

The people involved were content to let sleeping dogs lie but Ms Siebel slandered her way across the media landscape, adding details that do not illuminate, only provoke.

I guess when she checks into Promises for anger / envy management issues it will all be about "human messiness" instead of sick, freakish, and yes, deeply flawed human behavior.

As I recall there is a Pro Basketball Player, [ name escapes me], whose wife stated some time ago that he gets one free pass per yr.

Gee I hope for Gavin's sake Jennifer will be as understanding in year ten as she is now.

ok, you don't know/ aren't Jennifer, and she hasn't had multiple affairs while married, but why make that public about Ruby Tourk? Is she obsessed with her? Or just really really dumb?

Whoa! That's some pedestal you're standing on there, Person.

Look, is it naive-bordering on stupid to think that, when speaking to a reporter, what you say is somehow magically NOT going to be reported? You betcha. But (and I say this as a former newspaper reporter) it happens ALL THE TIME. In fact, it's more common than not, and that's what we count on when we're doing interviews. This is why people who are going to be in the public eye take serious "media training" courses. Because keeping one's mouth shut doesn't actually come naturally to most people. (I can't tell you how many frantic calls I've fielded from interviewees BEGGING me not to print what they just told me, and my line was, if it wasn't news and it wasn't relevant to the story but would only serve to make them look like idiots or lose them their job, I usually took it out.)

The Chron reporter made a different choice and one I think is fairly questionable. Siebel compounded the damage by posting here, but that just proves my point. Real, normal people have a really hard time shutting up. And when they talk, they tend to say dumb, out-of-context stuff without thinking, and when you do that in a public forum, you're in trouble.

There's a very good reason why defense lawyers discourage their clients from taking the stand, even if they're innocent. Because once you start, it's hard to stop, because people say inconsistent things, stupid things, and then make it worse trying to explain themselves.

Nothing new happened here. Siebel spoke out of turn, the Chron reported it, and Siebel tried (stupidly) to defend herself.

That's it. No character flaws, just very poor judgment.

LiveandLetLive almost irks me more than Ms. Seibel's wannabe ParisHiltonness (hates publicity - check out her website!) PUL-LEEZ.

But back to PR-Gal: This is San Francisco. A lot of us have saved bees from pools (and aren't catty to humans), a lot of us have worked in Africa (and really worked in Africa - not at one of these froofy conservation programs rich kids go to claim the "aid worker" title), a LOT of us have had great educations (and don't say stupid things repeatedly ).

Maybe our claws come out when our intelligence and ability to detect BS is underestimated?

Ana, you've proven the point - Ruby's PR coaching has won the day.

I completely agree with the former newspaper reporter, and unless you've been interviewed, you have no clue. And Kevin, you hit the nail on the head about the ugly postings here. Jealousy? What drives people to spew such venom and cynicism just because someone didn't tow the "PR" line as effectively as others and has a few grammatical errors in her writings? Jennifer hasn't committed any crimes. Did Jennifer submit false timecards for her past positions?

"A few nothing incidents where she showed up passed out in front of his door?"

Wow. Jennifer, you have done what I would have previously thought impossible - you've actually made me question whether or not I will vote for Newsom again.

A consensual affair is one thing, and not something I'm particularly concerned about. But I really don't want to think about my mayor having sex with passed out chicks. Not the kind of guy I want running my city and not the kind of image I needed to start my morning.

Thanks a lot.

My fave part of Lori Stern's post was the childish Internet rhetoric of have any of you ever [blah blah blah]?...I didn't think so. I mean that's about as sophisticated a persuasion technique as asphinctersayswhat?

Add in the I've never posted before and never will again with two followups and at least one trumpeting their departure, and it's Classic Outrage Newb. Sigh.

Yeah, that's the thing. Aside from the fact that this post is just more proof of Gavin's propensity for dating dumb women (which is irritating, but which I don't really factor into his success as a mayor) for me, the really disturbing part about her post is that it's likely Newsom is the one who gave her the impression it was a "few nothing incidents" where Ruby was passed out.

And I mean, if that's his own interpretation of what went on there, I'm a lot more inclined to question his judgment and his fitness to be mayor than I was before.

CloseObserver, you write like one who has first-hand knowledge.

The relationship between the press and the people they report on is a strange one, and it always has been. It's a big game of "Gotcha!", and it has always been flawed and tricky and rife with self-interest on both sides of the fence, which is why I quit.

The "Gotcha!" game is only important when we're talking about real news--events or decisions that affect the public interest. The Newsom-Tourk affair fails to pass that test.

Remember a couple of months ago when Newsom got angry with a TV reporter for asking him about showing up tipsy to an event? He was right to get angry. It was an obviously sensational, invasive question, and Newsom rightly didn't dignify it with an answer.

Now, if Newsom shows up tipsy to a Board Meeting? Whole 'nother story, and fair game. But the press has morphed into some horrible E! Hollywood nightmare version of itself, and this is the result.

Hey, Ana -

Do you know something we don't? You note, "It seems to me that Ms. Rippey-Tourk has handled this entire situation with as much class...It is to her credit that she has not responded with disparaging remarks about anyone. She has taken responsibility for her past actions...."

How do you know any of this is true, unless you are Ruby herself?

Seriously, how do you know any of this? I'm not sticking up for the Bee Catcher here, but you are really swallowing the PR "be quiet" recommendation hook, line and sinker, unless you have more information than we do....

Why so much hatin'? These two black widows have more in common than they might realize...blond, man-eaters, notches on Great Leader's bed post...Jen and Ruby also share another trait: Both have a set of loose lips. The only difference being that Jen's are on her face...

i agree with ana. Hank, where have you been? if you've followed the story, ruby tourk is the only one in this mess who has refused to make any public comment. wouldn't you be tempted to defend yourself publicly if press and girlfriend were slamming you? i agree that ruby's choice to have an affair with her husband's boss is pretty low, but i think ruby's silence has served her well.

Who needs Peter "Baloney" Ragone when you've got a mouthpiece like JS?

IMO-All this drunken/stoned/mayor/girlfriend/kimono crap is all smoke. The REAL issue is what a crappy mayor Gavin Newsome is. He's a total wanker and he we're not supposed to notice what a mess the city is in because he's "good looking" and has girl probs.

A real mayor would address the plague of murders in the city, the disfunctional public transportation, the disintegrating roads, a decent wireless system, following his staff recommendations on "healthy saturdays", fixing the planning and building inspection departments, well, and all the other f*cked up city departments (could MTA be any more disfunctional?).

An actual relationship with the Supes would be a good start. Meanwhile, we can only pray that Baloney Ragone will perform as well on the re-election campaign as he did in the Mayor's office, and Gavin and his regime will be history. I never thought that anyone could make Willie Brown look good, or at least, better.

joliejean + ana = Ruby Tourk and/or her PR person

Y'all don't mind if I plug my soon to be published morality tale?

Title:
"The Lights On in the Mayor's Office and It's 2 a.m."

Synopsis:
Newsom, The Mayor, is the protagonist. A well educated, likeable guy,tall, neck a bit too long which gives him a kind of vulnerability both physically and figuratively. The story plays off his naiveté for aggressive, publicity seeking young women and his own desire for publicity. He mistakenly believes publicity, rather than hard work, is what will launch him into the governorship and evetually the Presidency.

The lead women are desparetely in love with his fame, although the first wife, Kimberly G. clearly thinks she can do better and flies off into the New York sunrise. This next one, a girl named Jen, hatches a plan that can give her what she wants--stardom in Hollywood--and Gavin what he wants--unparalleled celebrity in the political world.

The two hope that then, with this unparalled fame they can reach high offices and bring their love of wine and Africa to the common people and make the world a better place to live.

The scheme at first develops as planned but begins to founder when the SF Bloggers discover the pair's true motives through a news story covered by the Chron.

Newsom struggles with unanticipated feelings of regret and a desire to start working because thre's a lot of hungry, poorly cared for people in the city of SF and he has to see them once a year when he drives through their hoods in his limo (kind of like Buddha's early travels when he was still a prince). And shit them bloggers are mean! It's looking like his guilt may obstruct his ability to avail himself of Jen's gift of publicity . . .

The author, Burpy Rip Tea, deftly navigates the complexities and irony of such moral treachery in this stirring novel. Soon to be published by Maxim.

Kimberley,
Maxim though?? This is a friggin' movie. I got it, Tom Cruise can play Gavin and Katie can play Jen (with cameos by the real Jen and Gavin).

hmm...just a thought. It's a shark feedin' time.

Sorry, but this dialog won't stop simply because some Newson flak demands it, but rather after it's played out. Assuming Jennifer doesn't post another missive here and rekindle the flames.

Her personal website is a revelation of sorts, for it provides a glimpse into the person she wants the world to see. What do I see in her bio, resume, gallery, reel, etc? Someone who has led a very sheltered life, who has never had to use or develop their intellect or moral compass to survive and succeed in this dog eat dog world. All those long, badly written sentences about chique environmentalism sound insincere, artificial, contrived, unimpressive. Perhaps a long vacation in the south of France is in order.

A message for Gavin--"Loose lips sink ships". Look at the mess she is making of your career. Another message for Gavin--"LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS".

Well, obviously people do care...because they're posting here.

For the record, I have been a long-time fan of the mayor, for his policy innovation and practical ideas.

I reserve judgement at this point in time as to whether or not he is an effective mayor. However, this affair threw down some SERIOUS red flags about what kind of husband/father he will be, and if this is what Ms. Siebel is interested in (not clear) she'd better think long and hard.

This woman was a) his campaign manager/close friend's wife, b) suffering from a serious substance abuse problem, and c) the mother of a 6-month old infant left with whom while she jaunted off to snort cocaine and pursue Gavin?

The fact that he could get it up for Ruby (made even worse by the details posted above about potential rape scenario) signals serious character flaws and should scare the heck out of his current girlfriend.

Call it a conspiracy theory, drama or real life..but for those of you out there who need a recap of the situation, there is a storm brewing in SF over the fallout from our Mayor, Gavin N. and his extra-marital affair with his secretary, Ruby Tourk, who is married to Gavin's ex-campaign manager, Alex Tourk. Along comes Jen Siebel (related to founder of Siebel Systems, who is on the board of Stanford, Jen's alma-matter). Jen is an aspiring actress, who believes in infiltrating Hollywood, and infiltrating any person, group or community in order to get her wishes of stardom. So she hooks up with the Mayor and begins a publicity-stunt gone terribly wrong. The director of her latest movie and her publicist suggest she gives a SF Chronicle reporter an interview to promote the movie. Instead the reporter quizzes her over the sex-scandal where Jen blames the victim (or to paraphrase her words..there was a drunk girl passed out in front of the Mayor's door and he had heart). The following day the SF bloggers came out in force, bemoaning her cruel insensitivity to the Ruby Tourk, who Jen calls the culprit. Jen responds to the blog with a crass tone, again blaming Ruby Tourk for this whole mess and Gavin as the victim. The story made the front page of the paper and several local television stations covered the story and Jen's blog response. This is the beginning of a terrific Hollywood saga, complete with sex, rehab, infidelity, loyalty issues, Delancey Street and politics among other themes. The Hollywood version should focus on Jen, a rich-grown up kid, who has never really worked a real job, but enjoys traveling to Africa and drinking fine wines and Gavin, a good-looking adulterer with a penchant for attractive young girls and expenisive wines, who periodically takes advantage of the young girls when they are drunk and alone.

Check out Kimberley's post #173...compelling shit...ain't it?

I suggest Tom Cruise plays Gavin, Katie plays Jen, with real cameos by the real Jen and Gavin. This saga is not over yet. Stay tuned to worldofmoss.blogspot.com for following, breaking news.

Jen's time would be better spent improving her knowledge of grammar.

Anyone else see the irony in the 'Join Mayor Gavin Newsom' ad posted by Google at the top of this blog?

To hmmm: It's not an accusation anyone here made, it's basically what Siebel herself said. Whether it really happened that way or not, the fact that this is how the mayor's girlfriend seems to think it happened is disturbing.

Jennifer's version of how things happened is quite suspect considering the fact that she did not know Newsom at the time of the affair. It does appear that she is parroting his dismissive private view of the events. If, this is in fact, what he says privately, it is very disturbing. He is not the contrite man he appears to be.

While rape may be too strong a word, it's definitely not cool to take advantage of someone (especially an employee) while they're drunk.

The problems with Jen's statements to the press and here, is that they've opened up a whole lot of questions about the affair.

Did Gavin care about Ruby? From Jen's accounts it sounds like he doesn't, but he may have played down his true feelings, not a bad strategy with a new flame.

Had Gavin been drinking heavily the night Ruby showed. Oddly enough, if Gavin was as wasted as she was, it somewhat lets him off the hook, taking advantage wise.

It may be naive or unrealistic but I think most people want their public servants to have it together in their personal lives. Who they hang around with and what they do with their free time reflects who they are as a person.

While it must be really difficult at times to live in a goldfish bowl, especially if you're single, we are the company we keep.

dynamic..my brain was laughing and not focusing on my crappy copy editing skills..

Gavin's life is an inane soap opera and he has dragged the entire city of San Francisco into it. Isn't it clear how vacant and foolish these people are?

We're trying to lead America by example in our efforts to end the war and global warming. But our Mayor and his court undermine any credibility that this city might have in the eyes of the rest of the country.

Who still takes Gavin seriously? It's what I always ask myself about that last 30% of Americans that still think Bush is doing a great job. Wake up people our mayor is an embarassment and right now, so is our city.

Rape is NOT "too strong a word" for "taking advantage of someone while they are drunk." "Taking advantage of" is the euphemism for rape. SOmeone posted the legal definition above, which includes having intercourse with someone who is incapacitated by drugs, alcohol, or for any other reason and unable to issue legal consent to such activity.

That said, we do NOT know what happened between Newsom and Tourk, and speculation based on Jen's regrettable comments here doesn't do anyone any good. If Tourk hasn't made such an accusation, then no one should make it for her.

Jennifer is the real deal and you need to give her a break. She is kind-hearted and generous, and it's those qualities which make her the genuine person she is, which unfortunately opens her up for this unfair scrutiny. We criticize those people in the press who seem to rehearsed but we don't make any allowances for anyone who is real, either. She has worked hard for everything she has accomplished, and earned every bit on her own merit. You can make presumptions that she got into Stanford by family connections alone, but then why did she get acceptance offers from every top university in the country? She chose Stanford for undergrad and business school because it is the Bay Area where she grew up and loves. So maybe it's time for the Bay Area to recognize that she's not the villian here and give her a little love back...

Thanks for sharing Jennifer. pretty funny!

Some things never seem to change
Kids still call each other names
Should get better but it's sad and strange
Every insult still the same

Growing up in small town hell
They bide their time to forget about
Take a swing with a bat and then wait
By the school gates

All this pushing and shouting
When you don't know where the love is
And human kindness
Where are you going to find it
Where are you going to find it

-Lyrics roughly plucked from Tracey Thorn song, 'A-Z'

Thanks for the bad poetry.

Stop bashing someone who's only fault has been to naively think that she could trust the news to speak the "truth". This is just a typical "Chronicle bashing" interview that has now maliciously involved an innocent party in this vicious circus we call the "news". Jen is a smart, generous, caring individual who has never done anything in her life to deserve this kind of attack. Two people are to blame here...bottom line. Neither one is Jen Siebel. Gavin has admitted, apologized and moved on graciously, and so should Alex Tourk. This issue is NOT about Jen's schooling, or acting, or her being a girls girl or not, it's an issue of two people who made one HUGE mistake which the media continues to exploit. There has been more news about this, than the war in Iraq. Shame on us.
Jen is an intelligent, level headed, gracious person who got wrapped up in something she has nothing to do with, yet feels passionately about. Who would stand back and let their loved one be bashed or misinterpreted without trying to protect them?? I think any person who has any sort of integrity and courage would try and speak out to protect the ones they love. Just because some things got misconstrued, does not make Jen the villain here. She is an innocent victim in all of this, just like Mr. Tourk. I say, good for her for standing up for the person she loves. It shows that she is a person with a back bone who would stand by anyone she knows and loves.

two bleach blonde sluts, & a rich, over-privileged yuppie who can't keep his dick in his pants. Look around; they sort of DO represent what San Francisco has become in the new century.

The point about this all being a "morality tale"--what we are all doing here is letting the newspaper and REAL people become our actors in dramas. It's great to discuss morality, and worthiness of public officials, and there's lots of comedy and drama and real concerns about the mayor's too public life and bad choices, but these are real people and this "discussion" is way out of line.

I wouldn't want this poor girl to be so hurt by all of this she does something awful to herself. Who hasn't made a shameful mistake they are lucky enough to keep private?
This is like a public beheading . . . only in the non-accountable, anonymous virtual realm...or like MySpace and anonymous teenagers who spread mean rumors about others. Having posted anonymously to a blog for the first time today, I can tell you I won't be doing it again. It's cowardly. Not to defend her, but Jen is the only one who signed her real name.

[211] Posted by: Gena | March 13, 2007 12:48 PM "... Two people are to blame here...bottom line. Neither one is Jen Siebel. Gavin has admitted, apologized and moved on graciously, and so should Alex Tourk."

Um - earth to Gena - Alex Tourk DID move on. He resigned, and he's been wise enough to keep his mouth shut in public about the issue. Your friend Jen hasn't been so wise. It's really none of her business... if as Gavin's girlfriend she wants to PRIVATELY console him for whatever, that is her business - publicly speculating about someone she probably never met - Tourk - is just bad breeding, and even worse PR. She's hardly an "innocent victim" here - no one came after her - she stuck her own foot in her mouth instead of saying "No Comment." Isn't "No Comment" the first thing they teach you in Starlet School?

Go Bears!

"Girlfriend, uninterrupted" - good title for her article in the SF Chron. Girlfriend, you've just been interrupted, in a bad bad way. The funniest part about it is she thinks they're in love! HAH!! I saw with my own 2 eyes him mac'n on a 22 year old at the opening of a restaurant in Napa. By the end of the night they were leaning against the bar (well she was leaning back against the bar and he was basically on top of her) kissing. I am talking all out, full blown make out session - Jennifer and he have something in common - they're both super classy. But actually, you know what Jennifer.. Now that I think about it, what I witnessed that night was Gavin being completely vicitmized by this young attractive girl, you are so right, he was helpless, she just totally took advantage and man handled him! He was so helpless that he walked her back to his hotel room that night :) PS - this was in Decemeber, prettttyyyy sure you two were dating. That's ok though, I am sure he picked you up the next evening to have you attend some holiday parties with him. You just keep sticking by your wonderful man girlfriend : )

HAHA!!
Marina Girl That Does Not Want To Be With Gavin:
You TOTALLY proved a Marina stereotype!
Your reasons:
>1. I like my privacy
OK, good reason
>2. I like drinking wine at parties
MARINA GIRL!!! And selfish, too. If your BF realized he had an alcohol problem, couldn't you alter your lifestyle to support him?
>3. I am not terribly political
MARINA GIRL!!! People like you allow 30% of the population decide who gets elected.
>4. I would not want to be through what Jen Siebel just went through
MARINA GIRL!!! You're identifying more with an over-privileged actress than with the terrified SF public that has to deal with a shallow mayor with poor judgement.

And MARINA GIRL, why wasn't the following reason on your list:
1. He's a mimbo with one failed marriage under his belt already, a friend's tattered marriage to go with it, and can't show up to any event without some idiot tartlet on his arm.

And to the posters who keep using this blue blood train wreck to judge all San Franciscans, please understand that most of the city is not some socialite den, that there are lots of blue collar families, artists, small business owners (a lot of them immigrants), activists, and students here who can only imagine a life where your biggest problem is what you said to an entertainment reporter.
And yes, SF is relatively small, so these things can truly impact us. If we still don't have free wi-fi because of this debacle then I'm gonna be PISSED!

"Ruby threw herself at poor Gavin, and being the spineless gem that he is just couldn't stop himself"

What a display of sterling logic for a big city mayor's potential mate--defending arrogance at its finest--and in addition, she possesses those great humanitarian skills of bumblebee-saving, African well-digging and a classless mouth..she has the common touch!
Not even The Branson School, Stanford and money can erase stupidity.

The number of people who've written in to insist "everybody does it" - coupled with the mayor's 70% approval rating - just gives voice to how many true scumbags there are in San Francisco.

It's no wonder the likes of Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly, have so much fun with this town.

Gavin: quit - now. It's the only classy thing left for you to do, Man. You f*cked up - really, really, bad. No matter how you try to spin it - even in the best of settings - every day your face is out there, you just remind us of that primping loser, Xerses, in "300".

Stop the bleeding. Now.

whats most interesting about the payements is that it has been reported that Alex Tourk was the one who questioned and recomended that his wife be given them?

Which is interesting in that he brought a lawyer to his resignation meeting with Newsome and worked out a severance plan that proved to be also illegal (to be paid out of Newsom's campaign fund)

Now Newsom is paying Tourk directly out of pocket.

The conclusion is Newsom will play fast and loose with the loopholes when it comes to cash (other peoples cash)

Who know's maybe people think Newsome is an easy shakedown? Or Newsome just beleives in the cost of doing business as he is clearly millions ahead in dollars and in social political prestige.

At worst Gavin will get at least $2 million for a book and for sure be backed financially in another SF retail/restaurant business. If not being welcomed back in to Plumjack after his "rsignation" due to rules about elected officials in private sector business conflict/ethics laws.

I can't believe these are San Franciscans, people who pride themselves on being open-minded. So we ignore the circumstances of people's births, skin and hair color as long as they're not blonde with wealthy parents? I'm neither, but I think this is so unbalanced and illustrates much more about the poster's resentment than it does about a woman who has every right to tell us to take a closer look at "the other woman."

Jennifer didn't murder anyone, and she didn't take her family's wealth and flaunt it in clubs. She went to Africa. But her trip to Africa wasn't hard enough for some of you? So what? She didn't cheat on her husband, nor did she take pay she wasn't entitled to. Why are so many of you making assumptions about her admission to school (aka Bush). And deconstructing her website, please. Who cares what she writes on her website? What does that have to do with San Francisco's problems?

Re: Stop bashing someone who's only fault has been to naively think that she could trust the news to speak the "truth". This is just a typical "Chronicle bashing" interview that has now maliciously involved an innocent party in this vicious circus we call the "news".... Two people are to blame here...bottom line. Neither one is Jen Siebel.
......

Ever hear of the phrase, "discretion is the better part of valour"? By speaking the "truth" Jen has done some real damage, not only to Ruby, but her husband Alex, Gavin and probably most of all, Jen herself.

Publicly trashing someone who is going through the painful and difficult process of getting clean and getting their act together, is neither classy, diginified nor compassionate. The more her friends defend her actions, the more it's clear that Jen doesn't feel remorse or get how unkind and destructive her behavior was.

SFist should really thank the Chronicle for today's article-- I'm sure the number of hits grew tenfold today.

One analysis of the Newsom/Tourk drama that I haven't seen anywhere yet concerns the actual content of Mr. Tourk's great work for the beloved mayor and former-supervisor--specifically the fact that Tourk was the mastermind of SF's local welfare reform, "Care Not Cash."

Remember that? CNC cut cash assistance to welfare recipients while trumpeting the idea that "services" would replace direct cash. Those of us opposed to the law pointed out the basic fact that the law would not actually fund or create ANY new services whatsoever. Instead, after convincing the electorate that this was a humane solution to homelessness, we got "Project Homeless Connect." Ask anyone who actually provides services to real homeless people, and they'll tell you the PHC is basically a massive PR campaign for already-existing services. Thanks for nothing, jerks. But special thanks to the Chronicle's Kevin Fagen, for his frequent sappy, "heart-wrenching" mega-series of articles about how wonderful every new Newsom homelessness initiative is....

What does this have to do with the sex scandal? Simple: Many of us involved in SF politics have known for years that Newsom, Tourk, Ragone, et al, have ZERO PRINCIPLES. They are liars in the vein of the most stereotypical cliche of dishonest politicians. That one would betray another should neither surprise us, nor elicit the slightest sympathy.

This is San Francisco. A lot of us have saved bees from pools (and aren't catty to humans)

I just wanted to post this again.

This place is a fuckin' high school cafeteria.

Kevin, thank you. Sasha and Jane, so if a poster uses folks he’s automatically the Mayor or from his office? Oh, I also use broad for female, which makes me Ed Asner.
   I’m not the Mayor, nor did I vote for him.
   But this is the sort of comment I see from a few folks. I guess neither of you got the point: that in 2007, people blog. People respond. You don’t need the media as a filter. Nor do you need the Mayor’s office as your backing. You can do it as an individual: how clever of us to have our own computers! Jennifer did. I did. That master’s degree sure came in handy.
   Whether or not you both agree with what we said is one matter, but at least you heard from the person, as Kimberly above stated. She signed her real name, as did I.
   I thought Americans wanted politics without the PR-guided machine and the political correctness. That transparency was demanded.
   Well, folks, you got it. But now it seems you don’t want it, because of what was unleashed above against Jennifer for stating an opinion.
   Heck, maybe we can’t handle it yet. The PR departments, tabloids and trash weeklies that we say we dislike for their warping of the truth will still be in business for a long time yet. We seem to prefer getting humanity from them.

So why does Gavin - if he is soooo "desireable" - date such... poofy women? Kimberly was a lingerie model/law student... gee, I guess being a woman really held her back... but I digress... and was known to wear "Juicy" clothes - {"Juicy" across her ass - so 2000s style, eh?)

And this gal opines about wanting to save the world... or was it Africa? If she rerally was so selfless, why not save the $10,000 or $30,000 you spent going to Africa, and work in Oaktown or South Central for a year, and donate the saved money to a reading program... but that wouldn't be verrrrry Jolie of you, now, would it?

And all this "she is being real", or "she isn't being coached by a PR machine like Rubdy & her husband" - how hard is it to learn "no comment"?

I wonder how long it took Clooney's PR manager to give him this recap?

While I am not fond of Mr. Newsome's taste in women (not bad to shag, but marry?)... I must defend, to some degree, his performance as Mayor.

1. Willie Brown spent like ... George Bush?!! Gavin had to bring that in, with a tighter economy.
2. When was the last time any other Mayor went 200% into Hunter's Point? I mean, he even dragged all the dept. heads out there, rattled the cages, et al. But he can't change 5 decades of Victimhood & poverty & crime.
3. He reduced fraud/waste with the homelss program by what... 50%??? 60%??? Amazing!
4. He has put together a pretty comp. homeless program; not perfect, but pretty good.

There's more, but I need a Diet Coke. Peace!

Don't you people have jobs or lives worth living?

Justanothertaxpayer: Great post.

I have also been wondering about JS's repeated comments about women throwing themselves at men and the mayor. To be honest, I have been wondering if she is unconsciously talking about herself ?

I had often wondered how much further Gavin could disappoint, and once again his pants instead of his brain are doing the thinking. How long will SF be blinded by the hair gel? Jen you disgrace us girls with brains and a sense of fairplay.

Jennifer, since Public Relations may not be a course that is offered at Stanford,
here's a short lesson in dealing with the press:

1) Consult with the professionals in the Mayor's Office before you
give an interview. They will give you "talking points" and tell you
how to avoid any mistakes.

2) Set parameters for the interview before it begins. Tell the reporter that you will be
glad to talk about your career and your upcoming projects, but that you won't discuss
the Mayor or your personal life with him.

3) Make a pleasant, but bland statement about the Mayor, such as, "Gavin is a
wonderful man and I am enjoying the time that I have been spending with him."

4) If they ask questions about the Mayor, refer the reporter to
the Mayor's office. "It would be better if you asked the Mayor that."

5) If they ask about your private life, deflect the question. If they
persist, remind them of the limits you put on the interview.

6) Don't talk to the press when you are unprepared. If they call
at an inconvenient time, tell them that you will call them back.

7) Don't reply to a blog. It's a no-win situation. If you say nothing of note,
only a relative handful of people will see it. If you say anything newsworthy,
it will be picked up and used elsewhere. Blogs will eat you alive.

Jennifer, you should have known better than to grant an interview,
even if you were being pressured by your producers.
The press was not interested in you or your career. They are
only interested in you as you relate to Gavin. Do you think the
Chronicle would interview you if you weren't going out with him?

This might be a painful lesson in dealing with the press. Learn from it.

"What good did any of this do, except make me sad for the city where I was raised? This is not the morale San Francisco used to be proud to call its own. This is no way to live, and it's up to all of us to create a kinder world...starting with small things like a measly little blog."

Please, get off your high horse..the original San Franciscans would of kicked his drunken Irish ass to the curb...and his little floozy to boot.

How exactly is RRT bothering Jen and Gavin, or causing "drama and gossip"? Did I miss a full page ad with Ruby's rantings? Is she making crank calls to Jen's house at all hours of the night? Did Jen receive a dead fish wrapped in brown paper in her mailbox one morning? Is Ms. Siebel delusional enough to believe that Ruby confessed this affair simply to sabotage her relationship with Gavin? RRT made this admission privately, not in the Chronicle and Alex cited only personal reasons regarding his resignation. Jennifer is the only person (who was not even involved, mind you) who has chosen to go public and get personal. She expects us to have a heart and consider Gavin's feelings during the time of the affair, but she has not done the same for Ruby. I don't think anyone here thinks RRT is faultless, but she never hurled insults publicly or went to the school-yard level of the fine Ms. Siebel. Darling, if you are such a skilled actress, next time you are asked your feelings on the matter, act like a character who has class, and keep your mouth shut.

Wow, George Clooney is a lot smater than I ever inagined. He really dodged a bullet with this one. Yikes!

Sorry can't get past her comment about Hollywood..."Hollywood is the smartest, most informed, purest voice"......hail me a cab....I'm headed to Hollywood.

YIKES!!

so sad, everyone is so bent on destroying a couple that is happy together. Is the world that bad that we need to destroy love?
And where was this "saint" Alex when his wife was so desperately in trouble? Why was he so blind as to ignore the fact that she was abusing drugs and seeking love elsewhere?

To Staying Positive, I know you know her personally and are her friend. Why must we (the public) generate love for Jen Siebel, who just publically revealed some very damaging info about someone that we entrusting with our city, and made us think that he took advantage of a drunken woman who was working as his appointments secretary, who was married to the man who was his campaign manager, who was passed out outside his door?

Jen Siebel did it to generate publicity for her acting career. Lately, in Hollywood, negative and scandalous publicity seems to be the norm. She seems all too ready and primed to step into the spotlight as "Mrs. Newsom" with her style and photo-ready appearance but she really stuck her foot in her mouth and did it to a publically paid official. She offended the Tourks who worked very hard for this city and have kept their mouths shut throughtout this entire scandal. There are too many people who know Alex Tourk and how hard he worked for this slick mayor who stabbed him in the back. Alex Tourk I heard should have been credited with the "Care Not Cash" and "SF Connect" programs. I have no connection to the Tourks by the way.

I just do not want any city dollars spent on investigating what now appears to have been a sexual harassment or rape situation by the mayor.

This makes me, the average voter really DISLIKE Jen Siebel. I never knew anything about her before this was broadcast on the chron and even now, CNN. She was just being narcissistic and self-promoting as her actress self, but it affected us, the city, more than just her little world.

I think her Hollywood career will revive after Gavin dumps her. They (in Hollywood) love this stuff.

But in the fund-raising, tax dollar spending serious issue business of Politics, she is BAD NEWS.

I completely agree with A San Francisco Voter. Very well said.

Indiana, it's not hate you're seeing. It's people, including San Francisco residents like myself, feeling exasperated, angry, betrayed, or what have you, at how completely out of control and unacceptable this thing has gotten. And for that, blame falls squarely on the Mayor and those around him who he has chosen to associate with.

I hope he gets it together, but I am very disappointed.

"Why must we (the public) generate love for Jen Siebel, who just publically revealed some very damaging info about someone that we entrusting with our city, and made us think that he took advantage of a drunken woman who was working as his appointments secretary, who was married to the man who was his campaign manager, who was passed out outside his door?"

That's a really good question...since most San Franciscans these days can't even afford housing due to the greed of the people that keep Newsom in power.

I think I'm gay.

you probably are gay. Aren't you glad you live in San francisco? The city that LOVES AND EMBRACES all people and has TOLERANCE for all??
I wonder where all these folks are from that have been writing all this stuff. I was born here. How about you?

Indiana - you don't get it. It's not that the peeps think Alex is a saint, it's that his former boss, The Mayor, was secretly sleeping with his wife on the down low.

The spin cycle decided on a cheery, blonde to sway the peeps opinion about what a great guy he is..and what a shitty person..oops, I'm mean "bad news" person Ruby Tourk is. The prob is...the peeps didn't buy this crap. The Tourks remain (and hopefully continue to remain) silent on the matter, while the flawed Newsom regime is going full boar ahead trying to change the peeps perception of the events.

So Indiana, give us a break.

Hey, Indiana, you sound like one of the lucky ones that actually owns a home in S.F. (probably due to being able to buy before the real estate market was manipulated to fill the coffers of certain people who shall remain nameless) Let me ask you this, if I may...assuming that you have children--you know, the future S.F. tax-payers-- will they be able to buy homes in "your" hometown?

Dear Moss,
Oh I get it. Everyone, including all those in this blog, are suddenly "disappointed, exasperated, angry, betrayed" at the Mayor for being human and acting like every other politician out there. Lord. Give ME a break why dontcha. Puleazzzze. Spare me the moral indignation.

This is all very funny. Ha, ha.

I didn't realize, however, how many people in SF really enjoy the kind of humor favored by 8-year olds, with lots of pointing fingers and sniggles when one of their peers steps out of a well-establish boundary.

But at the end of the day after everyone has had their big laughs, the simple facts remain: the economy is doing just fine and most people want stabiity in their lives. So look for another win for Gavin unless something else surfaces other than sex or drug stories since the per capita adoration of both in this town is legendary. No politician here will be critized for either by the voting public, no matter how hard their political opponents may try to smear the politician or candidate on chat boards like this.

I do hope Matt G. jumps into the race since I can't wait until we get a blow by blow account of some of the names of the women/people he's played around with over the past number of years. I'm sure some will have mini-meltdowns too like poor Jen, which will make for great chatboard fodder when we see their faces, hear their names and drag their names and reputations through the mud.

Or maybe we'll get "Matt lite" Mirkirimi to run against the mayor and all of the progressive in town can rally around him, conveniently overlooking the fact that he lives in a former rent-controlled apartment that he converted to a condo that should add a couple hundred thousand dollars to his portfolio while the rents for San Francisco tenants continue to go up. Ha. Ha.

I've been living here for almost 4 years now, but it took me a while to learn to do what the progressives do, not what they say. If you want to buy something in the Mission or Bayview that some nice black or brow n families currently rents, just be sure before you buy it and send them packing from the city forever that you buy a bike first and be sure to march in some anti-war/anti-government demonstration during the year, and your conscious will be just fine.

See you at Cafe Ritual. But please keep these funny posts coming. Ha. Ha.

"Let's take all this passion and change the world folks. You could be writing letters to congressman/woman right now!"

Oh, my GOD! Really, all hippies should be rounded up.

The fact that more people aren't outraged and disgusted by "the affair" and the kind of moral judgment being demonstrated by this idiotic young woman clearly demonstrates exactly what's wrong with "San Francisco Values"...

OK, so 'StayingPositive" - read, one of Jen's gal pals, had some supportive things to say:

"She is kind-hearted and generous" - ok, great. I don't think anyone here has questioned that. We question her tact (or lack of it!); her self-focus; her vindictive tone towards Ruby (who I don't know).

"... but we don't make any allowances for anyone who is real, either." - Couldn't she have said, when asked, "I was not privy to what transpired, Gavin has a very stressful job, and I think everyone hopes that things continune to mend - as best possible." Not hard, eh? Or just, "I wasn't a party to what went on, so I can't comment. AND what a lovely shade of lipstick you have on!"

By the way... who bought her the Porsche? Daddy?

Dear Angry Young Man,

You're missing one main thing here....these are not SF Values, but values of very elite, rich, globe-trotting, Ivy League, politically connected, Hollywood-adoring, Tahoe and Napa pads, horses, long vacations to many countries (not just Africa), art, music, opera, wine, black tie.......SHIT MOST OF US NEVER EXPERIENCE IN OUR LIVES! EXCUSE MY FRENCH!

What happended to the gay guy? I think we scared him away.
"bee in a pool" you are toooooo funny!
I am so glad we aren't talking about boring old whatherface anymore. How tiresome was that conversation?

"Are you seriously "outraged and disgusted" by a man who, GASP, had an affair?
Big eye roll."

No, I'm seriously outraged and disgusted by the general reaction of indifference to a man who, GASP, cuckolded a supposedly good friend and employee. What kind of a person does that? What's more, what kind of a person excuses it? MOSS claims that this reflects the values of some kind of amoral elite with a "let them eat cake" take on life. Sorry, I have to disagree. Considering the fact that so many people in this city think that what Newsom did was perfectly A-OK, it's pretty clear that these are values shared by the common man, not just the society crowd looking down upon them from atop Pacific Heights.

Uhhh...Indiana, this is a valid, virtual form of all of the suggestions you mention "Protest, write letters, start a campaign or organization."

FYI.

What #288 said.

The really important question that is not being asked here is whether or not Gavin is going to show up on DC Madame Deborah Jeane Palfrey's list of clients. If he doesn't, our entertaining local sex scandal might get totally eclisped -- no more Wolf Blitzer pieces on CNN, and people in the city might even have to go back to discussing actual policy issues. Or at least back to discussing free wi-fi and car free days in the park.

Angry young man,

awhh shucks I tried.

Indiana, shouldn't you go back to posting on terra hautist.com?

Hey, you busibees...maybee Jenny can combine her two talents and save africanized bees from swimming pools...pools are really just big waterin' holes anyways ain't they?

this is bees-wax. I call it a meeting of the bee'-s.
Bee's - cause, I wish I could only save a few bee's.

I digress, assumableeeey.

yours.

The question is...

Is the Mayor a slut?
A Man Whore?
A Hussy?

As Adam West of Batman said:

Citizens !!! Citizens !!! Please control yourselves !!!

I am sure the authorities and the news media have it all taken care of. Go back to you boring, mundane jobs and stop reading newspapers or reading anything at all ... that's better.

So it is no ok to call out a woman with a coke habit who cheated on her husband? Ummmm What? I love how all of the Gavin haters flock to her defense as the big mean mayor made her sleep with him. Oh the pity parade is becoming as long as the Gay Pride parade. Yes, Gavin is a ho, but believe it or not most men are and apparently so are most Ripey-Tourks.

"BTW, of Mayor's are so powerful... why do they have to BUY thier action-eee???" post 242 Windex66

Hey Windex we all have to pay for it in some way or another.

What did Ruby do to Jennifer to deserve her nastiness? Nothing short of being prettier, nicer, smarter, and (still) loved by hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......?