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August 24, 2006

From The Editors' Inbox

NETSBCH002.jpgSFist Reader Marivi sent this letter to District 5 Supervisor (and SFist partygoer) Ross Mirkarimi, and ccd us. As of yesterday, she has not recieved a response from Mirkarimi's office.* This SFist has never had the pleasure of riding Muni with children, and this letter really made us think about how difficult it must be. Have you had issues similar to Marivi's? What do you think of her suggestions? Let us know in the comments!

I'd *love* your help in making Muni more sensitive to the needs of children and their caregivers, especially with regard to Muni's policy about strollers. (Must be folded; kids on lap).

I wrote to them a few months back asking for specific instructions on how to safely comply with that policy when caring for more than one small child. (Complying with the policy sounds easy, until you arrive at the stop and have to deal with the logistics of folding the stroller and boarding with two squirmy children: Where do you put the kids while you fold the stroller? How do you climb the train's steps while carrying two kids and a stroller? Once seated with two kids on your lap, how do you pick up your stroller and disembark down the steps without dropping the kids or losing your balance? How do you do any of this without handing your kids to a stranger or leaving them unattended on a seat or sidewalk where they can squirm, fall, crawl or walk away?)

I never got a response to the message I sent via their website. I emailed the board secretary as well and got a message back right away telling me I'd hear back from their PR department. A month later, I hadn't heard back,so I contacted her again. She assured me I'd hear back soon. Another month went by. I sent her another message. FINALLY I got a reply TWO months later. All it said was "It is our policy that strollers should be folded and children should be on the adult's lap." I had not asked what the policy was, but for help in complying with it when traveling with more than one child. I'm not sure they ever bothered to read the question!

Alas, I suspect they adopted that policy without ever thinking through *how* one might go about doing that (or even whether it can be done.)

See Marivi's modest proposal after the jump!

A friend of mine with triplets tried boarding at a wheelchair ramp with her stroller. She was told to go find someone to help her lift her stroller up the steep stairs. I can see not allowing use of the wheelchair ramp during rush hour, but this made no sense as it was around 11 a.m..

It wasn't that long ago that the disabled were told to rely on strangers to hoist their wheelchairs up stairs. This is unacceptable.

The City claims to want to both decrease traffic and stem the tide of young families leaving the City. But Muni's policy is clear: If you have more than one small child, buy a car or leave town. (We've bought a car; our friends with triplets now live in the East Bay.)

There may well be a way to safely comply with Muni's policy if you are caring for more than one child, but Muni doesn't know of any, or if they do, they are unwilling to share it with the parents and caregivers who need to know.

My humble recommendation? Re-examine the policy and consider the following:

Assuming children *are* safer on an adult's lap with strollers folded (and I know many parents who dispute whether this is even true):

a) Allow caregivers with more than one child under the age of 4 to board using wheelchair access ramps outside of rush hour
b) Add "caregivers with small children" to the list of those provided priority seating (along with seniors and the disabled)
c) Instruct Muni drivers, particularly those on buses, to remain stopped until caregivers with children are seated (this is a common complaint of parents who take buses. It is *impossible* to balance on muni buses when you've got a child in one hand and a stroller in the other.)
d) Provide clear instructions on how to safely comply with the "stroller folded, kids on lap" policy when traveling with more than one child
e) Consider changing taxi rules as in Manhattan: no car seats needed for children traveling in cabs.

Raising a family without a car in the city is difficult enough without being able to use Muni.

* Update: Moments after this post went up, Marivi recieved a response from Ross Mirkarimi. "I quite agree with your sentiments and suggestions. I will add them in with our list of concerns and objectives in improving Muni - we need a much better mass transit system." OK, Ross, so what's next?


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Comments (9)

I like the idea of allowing kids and caregivers to use priority seating. But the wheelchair ramps would cause BIG delays, not least because they break down so often.

Here's a different proposal. No Sport Utility Strollers. They make small ones that fold (as you mentioned). The massive strollers with sun shades, cup holders, and racing tires may be nice in tbe burbs, but please don't bring them on the bus. (For one thing, they are UNSAFE if the bus makes a sudden stop!)

 

Could not agree more. I have but one child, and riding on the bus is a friggin' nightmare. Muni and Bart, by contrast, are great. A little bit of courtesy and patience (whether mandated or of their own accord) by the drivers could go a long way in helping.

This in particular hit home: "Instruct Muni drivers, particularly those on buses, to remain stopped until caregivers with children are seated (this is a common complaint of parents who take buses. It is *impossible* to balance on muni buses when you've got a child in one hand and a stroller in the other.)

I did, in fact, take an involuntary tour of the floor recently on the 1 California. It was awesome.

Anyways, it's hard enough with one kid, I can't imagine having more than one of them on a muni bus. Excellent post.

 

This is the same problem we've been having. Muni seems to have much more problem with parents bringing infants on the bus than it does with drugged-out weirdos thronging up the back stairs.

We often just walk everywhere if we can avoid taking the bus. My wife considers it impossible to use muni if she's alone with 2 kids.

 

When I read "Marivi's modest proposal after the jump," I was hoping that her suggestion was that if you have more than one kid, you should just eat the others.

 

I'm glad to see this got out there...I talked to this person via email and actually suggested that they send a note to Sfist.com to get a little action outta the gov't folks.

Ross said it best to me at the SFist party - if we make the Muni experience one that is good for riders, they will use it. If it is a lousy experience for anyone, they won't use it. So making it work for all folks, kids, seniors, and all those in between, is a good thing.

 

I have a blog posting about this issue as well, at http://drewlanning.com/?p=27. My wife had to go through this with just one child, and it's hard enough. Muni is clearly not interested in parents being on their transit system.

 

this was a wonderful article. i am on the peninsula, so i don't use bart or muni, but have used cal-train (which can have the same problems).

i have used the T in boston and never had a problem with strollers. i've rolled it right on and if time permitted, i folded it up and we sat down. if not, people were willing to accomodate the stroller or at times (gasp! it still can happen) help out.

seeing how busy the T can get, makes me wonder why sf is being so high and mighty with their stroller issue. they truly do have bigger problems to deal with.

marivi's suggestions were fantastic. will be interested to see what evolves!

 

Muni makes it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to travel with an infant. I guess if you have a cheap ass umbrella stroller and your child can support their head and neck, you're in business. But for those of us with normal strollers, it is not feasible...hold the child in one arm, while folding the stroller with one hand and then use your third hand to steady yourself as you walk the aisle looking for a seat and the driver starts moving the train. I HATE MUNI!

 

Wow! I see I am not the only one driven crazy by Muni's lack of sensitivity to parents.

Citymama posted a link to this letter (www.citymama.com) and got lots of interesting comments, including this one from Switzerland.

Look at how the law-abiding, risk-averse, cautious swiss can handle strollers on their public transportation:

COMMENT ON CITYMAMA BLOG

Hearing about the crappy MUNI policy makes me glad for Switzerland's public transport - there are special stroller sections on all trams, trains and buses, and the newest buses actually have a hydraulic lift to raise and lower them so to make it easier for strollers and wheelchairs to just roll on (the bus is then level with the pavement, so no ramp needed). Children aren't required to get out of the strollers. And anyway, if you are waiting at the stop with a stroller, people will rush over to help you life your stroller on board, no asking necessary. I do love the public displays of help here. Surely if it's good enough for Switzerland it can be done in San Fran!

Posted by: kitschenette | August 26, 2006 at 12:55 AM

 
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